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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:33 am
Post subject: Rare Sherman variant?

I have no doubt that this has appeared here before, but please allow me to indulge..

I ran across this image on another forum, and nobody there seemed to have noticed something odd about this Russian crewed Sherman. Am I way off the mark by asking if this is perhaps the rarest and most effective (Firefly notwithstanding) Sherman variant?

That looks a whole lot like a PAK 75 to me. Any thoughts?

TJ

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
It looks more (to me) like a classical M4A2 Sherman with a 76mm L/54 gun. P-O _________________ soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
In which case I apologise. It was something about the muzzle brake. Need to swat up on my Shermies! Thanks Shadock TJ

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
Granted, a lot of US Shermans in the ETO didn't have muzzle brakes as the delivery of muzzle brakes lagged behind delivery of the 76mm barrels. _________________ Trevor Dr Trevor Larkum Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk EVs

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?

No, I am aware that the 76mm appears with and without the muzzle brake. It was something in the shape of the brake in this picture. The US 76mm muzzle brake has two 'ribs' which give it an epiliptical cross-section - it appears 'flattened' when viewed from fore or aft, whereas the German muzzle brakes are perfectly rounded, or circular. This photo gives an illusion that the ribs are not there, and that the brake is consequently rounded in fore/aft cross-section. However, I compared some of The Shadock's photos of the US and German brakes, and it is fair to say that on balance this does more closely resemble the US version.

Shame. It would have made for an interesting discussion.

TJ

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
Yep, it's a Lend Lease M4A2 Sherman with a 76MM gun. The quality of the photo does play into the final image somewhat but that is a common muzzle brake found on Shermans so equipped. Here's another picture taken from here: www.axishistory.com/in...hp?id=5275 It pretty much shows the same muzzle brake although it's at a different angle. HTH

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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
It's late series M4A2(76)W with 76-mm M1A2 gun.

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
TJ: there does exist pictures of a pair of German captured ex-Canadian Firefly VCs, repainted and made up with German equipment. Curiously, one has its 17pdr QF muzzle brake replaced by modified brake from a Pak 40.

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