±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 856
Total: 856
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Member Screenshots
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Downloads
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Member Screenshots
13: Home
14: Member Screenshots
15: Community Forums
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Member Screenshots
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Member Screenshots
32: Downloads
33: Home
34: Photo Gallery
35: Member Screenshots
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Photo Gallery
51: Member Screenshots
52: Member Screenshots
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Member Screenshots
56: Community Forums
57: Member Screenshots
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Photo Gallery
63: Member Screenshots
64: Home
65: News
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Statistics
70: Downloads
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Member Screenshots
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Member Screenshots
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Member Screenshots
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: News Archive
87: News Archive
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Member Screenshots
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: News Archive
102: Home
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: News
106: Home
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Member Screenshots
110: Downloads
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Downloads
115: Member Screenshots
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Member Screenshots
119: Photo Gallery
120: Member Screenshots
121: Community Forums
122: News Archive
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: News
130: Home
131: Home
132: Your Account
133: Community Forums
134: Contact
135: Community Forums
136: News Archive
137: Community Forums
138: Downloads
139: Member Screenshots
140: Downloads
141: Member Screenshots
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: News Archive
160: Community Forums
161: Downloads
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Home
168: Member Screenshots
169: Community Forums
170: Contact
171: Community Forums
172: News Archive
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Downloads
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Member Screenshots
179: Community Forums
180: Member Screenshots
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: News Archive
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Member Screenshots
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: Community Forums
196: Downloads
197: Home
198: Home
199: Member Screenshots
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Photo Gallery
203: Member Screenshots
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: Member Screenshots
209: Member Screenshots
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: News Archive
213: Member Screenshots
214: Statistics
215: Community Forums
216: Tell a Friend
217: Home
218: News Archive
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Home
222: Home
223: Downloads
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Your Account
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Home
234: Member Screenshots
235: Home
236: Member Screenshots
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Member Screenshots
241: Home
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Member Screenshots
245: Your Account
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Downloads
250: Community Forums
251: News
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Member Screenshots
256: Member Screenshots
257: Photo Gallery
258: Member Screenshots
259: News Archive
260: Member Screenshots
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Tell a Friend
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: News Archive
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Home
283: Home
284: Downloads
285: LinkToUs
286: Your Account
287: Photo Gallery
288: Member Screenshots
289: Home
290: News Archive
291: Member Screenshots
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Your Account
302: Photo Gallery
303: Contact
304: Downloads
305: Home
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Photo Gallery
309: Photo Gallery
310: Member Screenshots
311: Member Screenshots
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Member Screenshots
319: Member Screenshots
320: Member Screenshots
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Your Account
324: Downloads
325: Community Forums
326: Downloads
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Downloads
330: Photo Gallery
331: Photo Gallery
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Member Screenshots
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Member Screenshots
339: News Archive
340: Community Forums
341: Member Screenshots
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Member Screenshots
345: Member Screenshots
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Home
351: Photo Gallery
352: Home
353: Member Screenshots
354: Downloads
355: Downloads
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: News Archive
361: Member Screenshots
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Downloads
369: Community Forums
370: Member Screenshots
371: Member Screenshots
372: Statistics
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Downloads
382: Community Forums
383: Member Screenshots
384: Member Screenshots
385: Community Forums
386: Member Screenshots
387: Member Screenshots
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Member Screenshots
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Photo Gallery
398: Member Screenshots
399: Member Screenshots
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Member Screenshots
407: Home
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Member Screenshots
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Member Screenshots
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Member Screenshots
420: Member Screenshots
421: Member Screenshots
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Member Screenshots
427: Community Forums
428: Member Screenshots
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Home
433: Member Screenshots
434: Community Forums
435: Member Screenshots
436: Member Screenshots
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Member Screenshots
442: Downloads
443: Member Screenshots
444: Treasury
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: News
448: Photo Gallery
449: Home
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Member Screenshots
455: Photo Gallery
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: News Archive
462: Downloads
463: Photo Gallery
464: Home
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums
467: Member Screenshots
468: Statistics
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Member Screenshots
472: Photo Gallery
473: Member Screenshots
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Downloads
477: Home
478: Community Forums
479: Home
480: Photo Gallery
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: Home
484: Photo Gallery
485: Downloads
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Member Screenshots
489: Member Screenshots
490: Community Forums
491: Member Screenshots
492: Home
493: Member Screenshots
494: News Archive
495: Home
496: Member Screenshots
497: Member Screenshots
498: Photo Gallery
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Member Screenshots
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Photo Gallery
509: Community Forums
510: Member Screenshots
511: Home
512: Community Forums
513: Member Screenshots
514: Home
515: Member Screenshots
516: Community Forums
517: Photo Gallery
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Search
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Member Screenshots
525: Community Forums
526: Home
527: Home
528: Downloads
529: Member Screenshots
530: Your Account
531: Your Account
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Home
535: Home
536: Photo Gallery
537: Downloads
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: Member Screenshots
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Member Screenshots
545: Photo Gallery
546: Member Screenshots
547: Community Forums
548: Member Screenshots
549: Community Forums
550: Member Screenshots
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Member Screenshots
555: News Archive
556: Downloads
557: Community Forums
558: Member Screenshots
559: Member Screenshots
560: Community Forums
561: Photo Gallery
562: Community Forums
563: Member Screenshots
564: Member Screenshots
565: Home
566: Downloads
567: Member Screenshots
568: Community Forums
569: Home
570: Member Screenshots
571: Community Forums
572: Photo Gallery
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Supporters
578: Home
579: Home
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Home
583: Downloads
584: Photo Gallery
585: Home
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Home
589: Member Screenshots
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: Photo Gallery
595: Home
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Home
600: Community Forums
601: Member Screenshots
602: Photo Gallery
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Downloads
607: Member Screenshots
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Home
613: Member Screenshots
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Member Screenshots
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Members List
622: Member Screenshots
623: Community Forums
624: Home
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Contact
628: Community Forums
629: Photo Gallery
630: Member Screenshots
631: Community Forums
632: Photo Gallery
633: Search
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Home
637: Community Forums
638: Home
639: Member Screenshots
640: Community Forums
641: Member Screenshots
642: Community Forums
643: Your Account
644: News Archive
645: Member Screenshots
646: Community Forums
647: Search
648: Photo Gallery
649: News Archive
650: Member Screenshots
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Member Screenshots
654: Member Screenshots
655: Community Forums
656: Photo Gallery
657: Member Screenshots
658: Home
659: Community Forums
660: Photo Gallery
661: Downloads
662: Community Forums
663: Home
664: Photo Gallery
665: LinkToUs
666: Home
667: Home
668: Community Forums
669: Member Screenshots
670: Photo Gallery
671: Home
672: Photo Gallery
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Home
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Home
680: Member Screenshots
681: Member Screenshots
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Member Screenshots
686: Photo Gallery
687: Member Screenshots
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Downloads
691: Member Screenshots
692: Home
693: Member Screenshots
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Community Forums
697: Photo Gallery
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: Community Forums
703: Home
704: Contact
705: Community Forums
706: Home
707: Member Screenshots
708: Community Forums
709: News Archive
710: Member Screenshots
711: Community Forums
712: Member Screenshots
713: Home
714: Community Forums
715: Photo Gallery
716: Downloads
717: Community Forums
718: News Archive
719: News Archive
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Photo Gallery
724: Member Screenshots
725: Community Forums
726: Member Screenshots
727: Community Forums
728: News Archive
729: Photo Gallery
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: Community Forums
733: Member Screenshots
734: Member Screenshots
735: Member Screenshots
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Member Screenshots
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Home
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Downloads
750: Community Forums
751: Member Screenshots
752: Member Screenshots
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: News Archive
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Photo Gallery
761: Member Screenshots
762: News
763: Community Forums
764: Member Screenshots
765: Tell a Friend
766: Home
767: Member Screenshots
768: Search
769: Photo Gallery
770: Community Forums
771: Downloads
772: Community Forums
773: Member Screenshots
774: Community Forums
775: Home
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Home
779: Photo Gallery
780: Photo Gallery
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Home
785: Community Forums
786: Community Forums
787: Community Forums
788: Community Forums
789: Photo Gallery
790: Community Forums
791: Community Forums
792: Community Forums
793: Member Screenshots
794: Your Account
795: Community Forums
796: Downloads
797: Community Forums
798: Community Forums
799: News Archive
800: Community Forums
801: Community Forums
802: Member Screenshots
803: Your Account
804: Home
805: Community Forums
806: Community Forums
807: Home
808: Downloads
809: Community Forums
810: Photo Gallery
811: Member Screenshots
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Photo Gallery
817: Community Forums
818: Downloads
819: Home
820: Community Forums
821: Community Forums
822: Downloads
823: Community Forums
824: Community Forums
825: Community Forums
826: Community Forums
827: Home
828: Home
829: Member Screenshots
830: News Archive
831: Member Screenshots
832: Member Screenshots
833: Member Screenshots
834: Member Screenshots
835: Community Forums
836: Member Screenshots
837: Community Forums
838: Member Screenshots
839: Downloads
840: Community Forums
841: Community Forums
842: Home
843: Photo Gallery
844: Community Forums
845: Community Forums
846: Photo Gallery
847: Community Forums
848: Member Screenshots
849: Home
850: Community Forums
851: News
852: Member Screenshots
853: Home
854: Community Forums
855: Community Forums
856: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
D. Doyle Book Discussion
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:39 pm
Post subject: D. Doyle Book Discussion

I recieved my new M551 book from David Doyle (Thanks Razz ) and enjoyed it very much! I can't get enough Sheridan stuff! There was one thing in it that really got my curiosity going and I want to post it here and see if we can shed some light on it. This is in no way meant to be critical of David's book. I'm just very interested in the M551's history. On page 9 is a picture that says it is vehicle #24 being delivered in 1966. There are two things that threw me here. First you will note the rings on the end of the grenade launchers. The rings were a modification that I thought came out in the early 70's. Secondly you can see the external pull handle to open the driver's hatch from outside. This also was a modification that I thought came out around 1975. I'm curious what the sign says.

Below is a Sheridan in Viet Nam in 1971. It has neither of the stated modifications. So the mystery is if the above photo is 1966 then why weren't these mods put on all of the Sheridans?

Something of note on "#24" is that it originally had it's turret fan in the old location. A plate has been welded over the hole. This is only the second one of these I've seen.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:45 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

I confess to being completely unfamiliar with external pull handles for the driver's hatch*. Now I'm eager to get home and check all my pictures.


*Then again, I ETS'd at the end of '73

Edit:
VISMOD "mine plow". Still learning new stuff about Sheridan's 38 years later.... Wink

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:06 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

Doug, In Germany they put this MWO on around 1975 IIRC. It was so they could rescue an incapacited driver. It's something I've always used to date photos.

EDIT: Doug, look at your picture on the other side of that driver's hatch and you can make out the external slave receptacle. This MWO came out after I ETS'd in '79.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:16 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

Another photo of "#24" from David's book. The two red circles are the bilge pump outlets. We had problems with dirt getting in the slots and clogging up the bilge pumps. So at some later date the slots were done away with. The flat thing on the exhaust is called an "Exhaust Plume Diffuser". It was MWO #1 on the Sheridan. (Modification Work Order) Not sure when that came out though. Another thing I noticed is that the grill does not have a screen over it. I don't know why.
[img]http://www.com-central.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10924/normal_scan%7E1.jpg[/img]

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:06 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

Mark,
I have a copy of Org. Maint. Manual dated June '66. It shows the bilge pump slotted covers, not the exteranal driver release handle (which I never saw in service, for reasons we know). Only became familiar with the "exhaust plume diffuser" on later vehicles (ours were an artillery powder tube canister with the exhause outlet attached to the end, raising the whole affair about 2' into the air...not so much "diffusing" the plume, as getting it up out of your nostrils in heavy bush Mr. Green ).

I can't swear that I haven't seen the standard diffuser on older vehicles, but I certainly don't recall doing so.

How did the driver turret release handles come to be installed...from new beynd a certain date, or retrofit to all vehicles still in service?

I don't recall the "ringed" smoke dischargers either, nor do they appear on the fairly pristine ones we had in my Sheridan School class.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:13 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

I'm not familiar with a driver's turret release. I think the M1A1 has something like that. But they did a lot for the 82nd AB Sheridans. TTS, new grenade launchers, new driver's panel. Maybe it had something like that. I'll have to check. I've got the -10 on CD.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:22 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

- MarkHolloway
I'm not familiar with a driver's turret release. I think the M1A1 has something like that. But they did a lot for the 82nd AB Sheridans. TTS, new grenade launchers, new driver's panel. Maybe it had something like that. I'll have to check. I've got the -10 on CD.


Mark,
I mis-spoke, typing too fast. Meant "driver's external hatch release" thingy. Probably thinking of the way it rotated compared to other hatches one usually thinks of.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:59 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

This shows the release:


_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:17 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

Got my book today,

Worth every penny and then some just for the pictures.

Great work David

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
ddoyle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 12, 2008
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:36 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

I'll try to shed a little light on this....

From the registration number, the delivery date of the vehicle was determined. The "shortly after delivery" statement is from a note in the file at the Ordnance Museum - a note written at an unknown time and by an unknown person.

That being said, I know infinitely more about 2 1/2 ton G-742 trucks than I do any other military vehicle. And I have copies of the test reports and correspondence between the army and Reo regarding what has come to be known as the air shift front axle. The correspondence dates from 1952-53, the test reports from 53-55 - and this improvement first appeared in production vehicles in 1971-72...with tens of thousands of trucks delivered in the meantime.

Hence, I'd not bet my life on it, but it wouldn't surprise me if Aberdeen was testing these Sheridan mods in 66-67, yet they weren't fielded until a decade later.

Best wishes,
David

PS: Joe and Mark, thank for your kind words.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:53 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

David,

You beat me on that one, I was going to say the same thing. There were so many mods made for the M1 that took many years before they were officially put into production and then MWO applied to older models. Many MWO's were to upgrade older fleet models that were dated years after production models had them. Good case in point is the conversion from M73/219 MG to M240. The M60A3 was produced with the M240 whereas the M60A1 had to be upgraded with an MWO which was dated in the 80's. Budgets play a lot into this too.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:00 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

I'm keeping notes on this whole discussion for my M551 project. Wink Wink

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:03 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

- Joe_D
Good case in point is the conversion from M73/219 MG to M240. The M60A3 was produced with the M240 whereas the M60A1 had to be upgraded with an MWO which was dated in the 80's. Budgets play a lot into this too.


Just a warning, Joe, shot-across-the-bow thing...you're risking a ritual "banning" just for invoking the memory of the M73/219 MG. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:41 am
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

Yes, the infamous M73/219.

Was told all the Horror stories by TC's and Gunner's when I was a young troop. Lucky not to experience them.

One named SSG Boggs told me the Nomenclature for the M219 was derived by multiplying it's predecessor, the M73, x 3, which was how much worse it was.

I actually got to work on one (M219) at Rodelheim in W. Germany. I couldn't believe they actually made that thing. What an idiotic concept and design.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:10 pm
Post subject: Re: D. Doyle Book Discussion

David, Good theory. I never thought of it taking ten years to get a mod to the field but that's certainly plausible. It would explain it all. Razz

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum