±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: jimmymcc19
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 82
Total: 82
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: CPGlang
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Home
05: Home
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: CPGlang
10: News Archive
11: Statistics
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: CPGlang
17: CPGlang
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Home
22: CPGlang
23: Home
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: News
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Your Account
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: CPGlang
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Home
45: Your Account
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: CPGlang
49: Community Forums
50: CPGlang
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: CPGlang
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: CPGlang
57: Home
58: CPGlang
59: Your Account
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Home
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Statistics
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Member Screenshots
72: Home
73: Home
74: Home
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Downloads
79: CPGlang
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: CPGlang

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sherman getting a concrete job
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:54 pm
Post subject: Sherman getting a concrete job

Concrete job


Last edited by armyjunk2 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:20 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 814
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Looks like a lot of work. What was its main purpose? Defeat HEAT rounds...panzerfaust/panzerschrecke? Or was it additional armor for AP?

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

I wish the guy in front wasn't hiding the bow MG.

Gives a whole new meaning to 'Composite Hull' Laughing

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
claude_GILLONO
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 80

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Most probably against hollow charge rockets
HTH
Back to top
View user's profile
claude_GILLONO
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 80

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Nice 105mm armed Shermie
M4A3 judging by the upright grill arrest plate on the rear side engine deck
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

ask and you shall recieve



Last edited by armyjunk2 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:20 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

I see sandbags. I wonder if the layer of cement just held them in place?

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

The second tank is a M4A3(76) but apparently "concreted" by the same unit. I guess they didn't plan on using the gun travel lock anytime soon.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dennis_Smith
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 192

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

I wonder if that's Stolberg, Germany? Here's an excerpt from a book...

"The tank crews took every means available to reinforce the front glacis plate. They stored spare track blocks and bogey wheels there. Some crews put sandbags on the glacis plate; others used a combination of logs and sandbags laced together with chicken wire.
At Stolberg the crews continued their efforts at the abandoned cement factory, making concrete armor..."
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Photo have no info on them, so it could be.
Back to top
View user's profile
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

The sandbags actually helped keep the concrete in place. PATTON hated seeing any Sherman sandbagged and probably even this method too. Razz
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Patton hated any non standard 'armor' He felt that it overloaded the suspension and drive train and made the tank less manuevrble. He felt the Sherman was balanced as built and that the jury rigged armor only made performance deteriorate. What he didn't consider was the psychological effects of the extra 'armor'

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

That Panzefaust made it real easy to kill a Sherman, not that it wasn't already.

Any dedicated teenager (Hitler Youth) could use it. Knowing how to stay alive after launch was the key. Unfortunately many did not listen to the older vets and "Volks Sturm" to just go home.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

Nice photos. I had seen the 105H version but not the close up of the 76mm.

Obviously the concrete would have very little effect on an incoming 75mm or 88mm AP so the main effect would have been against HEAT weapons, plus the psychological advantage.

On the Patton comment - yes, he hated the extemoraneous armor, but in Feb 45 the Third Army DID authorize a "standard" upgrade using steel salvaged from other tanks.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman getting a concrete job

I found titles.... these are from the Patton Museum Library

A German Panzerfaust 100 penetrated the side of the M4A3E8 tank reinforced with 7” of concrete at a distance of 20 feet. 1st Armored Group, VI Corps, US 7th Army, Neupfotz, Germany 3/28/45




Last edited by armyjunk2 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:21 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum