±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 937
Total: 937
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: News Archive
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: News Archive
11: News Archive
12: Photo Gallery
13: Member Screenshots
14: News Archive
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: News Archive
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Member Screenshots
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Downloads
26: Photo Gallery
27: Photo Gallery
28: Community Forums
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Downloads
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Downloads
41: Home
42: Downloads
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Downloads
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Community Forums
56: News Archive
57: Downloads
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Home
61: Downloads
62: Downloads
63: Your Account
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Photo Gallery
87: News Archive
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Member Screenshots
91: Community Forums
92: Member Screenshots
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: News Archive
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Photo Gallery
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Photo Gallery
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Member Screenshots
113: Photo Gallery
114: Home
115: Downloads
116: News
117: Member Screenshots
118: Community Forums
119: Statistics
120: News Archive
121: Home
122: Home
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: News Archive
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Photo Gallery
151: Member Screenshots
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: Home
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Statistics
164: Member Screenshots
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Member Screenshots
177: Community Forums
178: Tell a Friend
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Member Screenshots
182: Community Forums
183: Downloads
184: Community Forums
185: News Archive
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Member Screenshots
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Member Screenshots
214: Photo Gallery
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Photo Gallery
219: Downloads
220: Home
221: Photo Gallery
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Member Screenshots
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Member Screenshots
243: Photo Gallery
244: Home
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: Community Forums
249: Member Screenshots
250: Community Forums
251: News Archive
252: Home
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Downloads
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Member Screenshots
273: Member Screenshots
274: Photo Gallery
275: Statistics
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Photo Gallery
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Downloads
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Downloads
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Downloads
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: News Archive
300: Home
301: Downloads
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Your Account
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Member Screenshots
309: Community Forums
310: Photo Gallery
311: Community Forums
312: Statistics
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Member Screenshots
316: Community Forums
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Photo Gallery
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Member Screenshots
326: Member Screenshots
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Downloads
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Your Account
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Downloads
349: Community Forums
350: Photo Gallery
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: News Archive
355: Community Forums
356: News Archive
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Member Screenshots
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Downloads
365: Community Forums
366: News
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Member Screenshots
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Downloads
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Member Screenshots
380: Community Forums
381: Search
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Your Account
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Home
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Home
405: Community Forums
406: Photo Gallery
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Member Screenshots
421: Photo Gallery
422: Member Screenshots
423: Statistics
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Your Account
428: Photo Gallery
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Member Screenshots
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Member Screenshots
440: Member Screenshots
441: Home
442: Community Forums
443: Photo Gallery
444: Photo Gallery
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Downloads
448: Community Forums
449: Downloads
450: Community Forums
451: Photo Gallery
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Downloads
458: Community Forums
459: Your Account
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Home
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Member Screenshots
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Photo Gallery
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Photo Gallery
485: Downloads
486: Community Forums
487: Member Screenshots
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Photo Gallery
494: Photo Gallery
495: Home
496: News Archive
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: News Archive
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Statistics
504: Community Forums
505: Member Screenshots
506: News Archive
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Home
516: Photo Gallery
517: Community Forums
518: Your Account
519: Community Forums
520: Photo Gallery
521: Photo Gallery
522: Home
523: Downloads
524: Community Forums
525: Home
526: Community Forums
527: Home
528: Downloads
529: Member Screenshots
530: Community Forums
531: Member Screenshots
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Downloads
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Photo Gallery
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Photo Gallery
552: Photo Gallery
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Photo Gallery
556: Downloads
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Photo Gallery
561: Photo Gallery
562: Photo Gallery
563: Home
564: Photo Gallery
565: Photo Gallery
566: Photo Gallery
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Member Screenshots
573: Community Forums
574: Statistics
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Member Screenshots
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: News Archive
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Member Screenshots
589: Home
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Photo Gallery
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Photo Gallery
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Downloads
601: Photo Gallery
602: Photo Gallery
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: Photo Gallery
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Photo Gallery
610: Photo Gallery
611: Downloads
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Home
615: Member Screenshots
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Photo Gallery
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Photo Gallery
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Photo Gallery
634: Community Forums
635: Photo Gallery
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Home
640: Community Forums
641: News Archive
642: Community Forums
643: Member Screenshots
644: Home
645: Photo Gallery
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Photo Gallery
656: Photo Gallery
657: Member Screenshots
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Community Forums
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Member Screenshots
664: Community Forums
665: Photo Gallery
666: Home
667: News Archive
668: Photo Gallery
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Member Screenshots
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Photo Gallery
678: Community Forums
679: Photo Gallery
680: Photo Gallery
681: Photo Gallery
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Photo Gallery
687: Photo Gallery
688: Home
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Photo Gallery
692: Community Forums
693: Photo Gallery
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Member Screenshots
697: Home
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Photo Gallery
701: Home
702: Member Screenshots
703: News Archive
704: Home
705: Photo Gallery
706: Community Forums
707: Member Screenshots
708: Community Forums
709: Photo Gallery
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Photo Gallery
715: Member Screenshots
716: News Archive
717: Community Forums
718: Photo Gallery
719: Community Forums
720: Photo Gallery
721: Community Forums
722: Member Screenshots
723: Photo Gallery
724: Member Screenshots
725: Community Forums
726: Photo Gallery
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Member Screenshots
733: Photo Gallery
734: Downloads
735: Photo Gallery
736: Community Forums
737: Photo Gallery
738: Member Screenshots
739: Photo Gallery
740: Community Forums
741: Member Screenshots
742: Downloads
743: Community Forums
744: News Archive
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Home
748: Community Forums
749: News Archive
750: News Archive
751: Photo Gallery
752: Downloads
753: Member Screenshots
754: Photo Gallery
755: Member Screenshots
756: Community Forums
757: Member Screenshots
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Your Account
768: Member Screenshots
769: Photo Gallery
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Home
773: News Archive
774: Community Forums
775: Member Screenshots
776: Community Forums
777: Home
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Photo Gallery
782: Member Screenshots
783: Statistics
784: Community Forums
785: Photo Gallery
786: Photo Gallery
787: Home
788: Home
789: Downloads
790: Community Forums
791: Member Screenshots
792: Community Forums
793: Community Forums
794: Home
795: Community Forums
796: Community Forums
797: Community Forums
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: News Archive
801: Community Forums
802: Community Forums
803: Photo Gallery
804: Downloads
805: Community Forums
806: Home
807: Downloads
808: Member Screenshots
809: Community Forums
810: Photo Gallery
811: Community Forums
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Photo Gallery
817: Community Forums
818: Community Forums
819: Photo Gallery
820: Your Account
821: Member Screenshots
822: Home
823: Home
824: Community Forums
825: Downloads
826: Community Forums
827: Community Forums
828: Community Forums
829: Community Forums
830: Photo Gallery
831: Community Forums
832: Home
833: Community Forums
834: Photo Gallery
835: Community Forums
836: Community Forums
837: Community Forums
838: Statistics
839: Community Forums
840: Member Screenshots
841: Photo Gallery
842: Member Screenshots
843: Community Forums
844: Community Forums
845: Community Forums
846: Community Forums
847: Community Forums
848: Photo Gallery
849: Downloads
850: Home
851: Community Forums
852: Home
853: Home
854: Photo Gallery
855: Home
856: Community Forums
857: Home
858: Community Forums
859: Community Forums
860: Home
861: Community Forums
862: Community Forums
863: Community Forums
864: Home
865: Community Forums
866: Community Forums
867: Photo Gallery
868: Community Forums
869: Community Forums
870: Community Forums
871: Community Forums
872: Downloads
873: Community Forums
874: Photo Gallery
875: Home
876: Community Forums
877: Downloads
878: Photo Gallery
879: Member Screenshots
880: News Archive
881: Community Forums
882: Community Forums
883: Photo Gallery
884: Community Forums
885: Downloads
886: Community Forums
887: Statistics
888: Photo Gallery
889: Your Account
890: Community Forums
891: Community Forums
892: Community Forums
893: Member Screenshots
894: Photo Gallery
895: Community Forums
896: Community Forums
897: Member Screenshots
898: Home
899: Downloads
900: Home
901: Community Forums
902: Community Forums
903: Community Forums
904: Community Forums
905: Member Screenshots
906: Community Forums
907: Community Forums
908: Home
909: Community Forums
910: Community Forums
911: Downloads
912: Community Forums
913: Community Forums
914: Community Forums
915: Community Forums
916: Photo Gallery
917: Photo Gallery
918: Photo Gallery
919: Community Forums
920: Photo Gallery
921: Community Forums
922: Member Screenshots
923: Community Forums
924: Community Forums
925: Photo Gallery
926: Home
927: Photo Gallery
928: Photo Gallery
929: Community Forums
930: Community Forums
931: Community Forums
932: Community Forums
933: Home
934: Home
935: Home
936: News Archive
937: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 11, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:46 pm
Post subject: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Period B & W photos of 3rd Armored Division M5A1 Stuarts show a piece of structure on the glacis plate forward and below the bow machine gun which seems to mystify the experts. This item seems peculiar to the 3rd AD only. Three examples of this follow:







Over on the missing-lynx ( www.missing-lynx.com ) forum there have been several discussions as to what, exactly, this item was. Anyone here know? Confused

One expert there thinks it was some form of guard which prevented wires strung across the road from catching underneath the barrel of the bow gun, lifting it up and slamming the receiver down into the Bog's lap. I don't think the location, design, or complexity of this item persuades me that this is its purpose.

The general concensus seemed to be that this was some form of bullet deflector, allowing the Bog to fire into its angled plate which then sent a spray of unaimed bullets down into a trench or foxhole. Perhaps more likely, this was intended to fire down over an obstacle the vehicle was crossing, bow high (such as a hedgerow), in an effort to keep the enemy's heads down while the tank was in this rather vulnerable position.

Does anyone have an opinion on this question? And, does anyone have any other photos of this piece of apparatus?

Enquiring minds want to know. Smile

_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:09 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Bob,

I'm going to go with bullet deflector, as on this....


Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:28 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

I immediately thought the same thing. I could see it useful when the tank is climbing a hedgerow or crossing a series of rifle pits. Someone should have a picture of the M-2 Medium at Aberdeen with them on the rear corners allowing the casemate mounted 50 cals to hit anyone sneaking behind the tank
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:36 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

These?



Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:38 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Yep Smile

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:51 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

- bsmart
Yep Smile


Notice how I thoughtfully editted your Bentley GT out of the picture so no one would track you down by your license plate. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 11, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:31 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Thanks for your input, Doug and Bob; much appreciated! I was aware of the M2/M3 bullet deflectors and it seemed to me that the M5A1's item was too similar not to be a deflector.

I wonder why, then, the 3rd AD seemed to be the only unit which installed them on their M5A1s?

I've been laboring over a 1/6 scale M5A1 for almost three years now and need to add this device since the particular vehicle I'm replicating carried one. Anyone have any close-up photos of this item to aid in scratch-building one?

And Doug, we don't need Bob's license plate to track him down. We're going to inundate him in two weeks as the AMPS hordes overrun the APG restoration facility. You'll recognize me, Bob: I'll be the one with fixed bayonet.

_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

- A-109E
And Doug, we don't need Bob's license plate to track him down. We're going to inundate him in two weeks as the AMPS hordes overrun the APG restoration facility. You'll recognize me, Bob: I'll be the one with fixed bayonet.


Well, at a public meeting with a bunch of known rowdies, Bob will probably leave the Bentley home safe in the garage and take, oh say, a pickup truck so as not to seem too effete and uppity. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:17 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Actually I may not make it up to the Museum for AMPS. This weekend is the CDSG tour of the Coast Defense works in the Baltimore & Washington area including Ft Carroll (with possibly the most effective antitank ditch ever envisoned Smile And at the end of the month I'll actually be taking a (non armor oriented) vacation down to Orlando. so in between will probably be work around the house and catch up at work.

I understand there is at least one tour of the restoration facility planned for AMPS. I don't know if the Hetzer and other items in the warehouse will be available for viewing or not.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:18 am
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

A-109E,

I used a couple of pics in the Concord "US Light Tanks at War: 1939-1945". The section on the M3 has a couple of reasonably clear shots, albeit from a distance.

From what I could tell, it's not a very complex or robust construction. It looks to me like a square-ish hunk of steel supported by flat strap or angle iron.

I've seen several discussions about this online over the years, and recall that noone ever seemed to cough up a definitive photo or set of photos showing construction or design. So as long as it looks "about right" and you can justify it, you should be good to go.

CS

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 11, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:11 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

C/S,

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I do have the Concord book, though, and the first black & white photo I posted above is an enlarged and cropped scan of the photo you refer to. I have (I think) everything in print on the M5/M5A1: some 36 commercial and military publications, including 355 blueprints and drawings from the Ordnance Department. Plus almost 1500 images and photos of the real thing. In all of this I can find only four photos of this bullet deflector, explaining, perhaps, why the subject comes up on various forums so often. It's rare, it's arcane, and it's poorly documented. This makes it an irresistable and fascinating subject for researchers and model builders.

My own take is that it is a bullet deflector, and I agree with you on its construction; but I think it must be angle iron for rigidity rather than steel strap, this material most likely taken from the scrap pile.

Here are two scans showing an earlier device fitted to certain M5s which is (most probably) a brush guard. The first is a line drawing from the Tankograd publication on the M5/M5A1, apparently a tracing of the other, which appears in Kurt Laughlin's excellent book "A Field Guide to the M5 Series Light Tanks and the M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage". This has been a great help to me during the course of my project and is highly recommended. Those with the interest can find it at:

www.formationsmodels.c..._Book.html





The problem with building a 1/6 scale model is that everything is so big that many details not evident in 1/35 scale are very large and pronounced and need to be carefully researched and excruciatingly detailed. For example, the track end connectors need two sets of foundry casting numbers, a detail not seen in smaller scales.



I was hoping that someone here had some rare close-up photo or other documentation showing the details of this deflector, since this frequently happens on forums like this.

So, I think I'll go with angle iron (brass angle strip) with weld beads (Miliput putty), and a steel deflector plate (.050 sheet styrene).

Thanks again for your input. Smile

_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:32 pm
Post subject: Re: M5A1 Stuart bullet deflector

Bob,
Agree that hoopy item in the images just above is a brush guard for the bow MG. Easy for something to get under there and cause mischief...had this happen to an M60 MG on my ACAV once, since those pintle thingys are eccentric and there are protubeances on the hull top that can catch the shield and not let it turn freely. When it was over, we had a machine gun that could fire around corners Laughing (not really, it pretty much just tears the barrel out of the receiver on the '60).

D.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum