±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 427
Total: 427
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Downloads
04: Community Forums
05: Statistics
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Home
09: Photo Gallery
10: Home
11: News Archive
12: Photo Gallery
13: Member Screenshots
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Member Screenshots
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Member Screenshots
22: Member Screenshots
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Photo Gallery
28: Photo Gallery
29: Home
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Photo Gallery
35: Photo Gallery
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Downloads
47: Downloads
48: Member Screenshots
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Photo Gallery
54: Photo Gallery
55: Member Screenshots
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Downloads
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Member Screenshots
62: Photo Gallery
63: Member Screenshots
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Photo Gallery
67: Photo Gallery
68: Downloads
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Downloads
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Member Screenshots
82: Photo Gallery
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Downloads
86: Downloads
87: Home
88: News Archive
89: Member Screenshots
90: Photo Gallery
91: Photo Gallery
92: Home
93: Photo Gallery
94: Downloads
95: Community Forums
96: Member Screenshots
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Photo Gallery
105: Your Account
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Downloads
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Home
115: Home
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Downloads
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Member Screenshots
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Member Screenshots
128: Photo Gallery
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Member Screenshots
132: Home
133: Photo Gallery
134: Photo Gallery
135: Photo Gallery
136: Member Screenshots
137: Member Screenshots
138: Member Screenshots
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Member Screenshots
142: Home
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Member Screenshots
147: Member Screenshots
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Home
152: Home
153: Member Screenshots
154: Home
155: Photo Gallery
156: Home
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Member Screenshots
160: Downloads
161: Downloads
162: Member Screenshots
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Photo Gallery
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Home
172: Member Screenshots
173: Home
174: Downloads
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Photo Gallery
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Home
183: Photo Gallery
184: Home
185: Home
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Member Screenshots
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Home
192: Photo Gallery
193: Statistics
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Statistics
197: Your Account
198: Photo Gallery
199: Downloads
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Home
206: Member Screenshots
207: Member Screenshots
208: Community Forums
209: Downloads
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Downloads
213: Member Screenshots
214: Home
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Member Screenshots
219: Member Screenshots
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Your Account
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Downloads
227: Photo Gallery
228: Downloads
229: Statistics
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Statistics
235: Home
236: Home
237: Downloads
238: Photo Gallery
239: Home
240: Home
241: Home
242: Home
243: Home
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Downloads
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Statistics
251: Downloads
252: Home
253: Downloads
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Statistics
260: Home
261: Downloads
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Member Screenshots
265: Member Screenshots
266: Statistics
267: Community Forums
268: Home
269: Community Forums
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Photo Gallery
279: Downloads
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Photo Gallery
283: Community Forums
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Member Screenshots
288: Member Screenshots
289: Member Screenshots
290: Photo Gallery
291: Downloads
292: Member Screenshots
293: Photo Gallery
294: Member Screenshots
295: Home
296: Member Screenshots
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Statistics
303: Home
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Photo Gallery
308: Member Screenshots
309: Photo Gallery
310: Home
311: Photo Gallery
312: Home
313: Photo Gallery
314: Home
315: Home
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Photo Gallery
320: Downloads
321: Home
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Home
325: Your Account
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Downloads
330: Home
331: Home
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Your Account
338: Photo Gallery
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Downloads
343: Downloads
344: Member Screenshots
345: Home
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Downloads
349: Photo Gallery
350: Member Screenshots
351: Home
352: Downloads
353: Photo Gallery
354: Statistics
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Community Forums
360: Member Screenshots
361: Home
362: Home
363: Member Screenshots
364: Home
365: Community Forums
366: Member Screenshots
367: Home
368: Downloads
369: Photo Gallery
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Downloads
374: Photo Gallery
375: Downloads
376: Photo Gallery
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Downloads
381: Photo Gallery
382: Your Account
383: Member Screenshots
384: Member Screenshots
385: Community Forums
386: Member Screenshots
387: Member Screenshots
388: Member Screenshots
389: Community Forums
390: News Archive
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Member Screenshots
394: Photo Gallery
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Photo Gallery
399: Photo Gallery
400: Photo Gallery
401: Photo Gallery
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Home
409: Downloads
410: Member Screenshots
411: Home
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Photo Gallery
416: Photo Gallery
417: News Archive
418: Photo Gallery
419: Home
420: Home
421: Home
422: Downloads
423: Member Screenshots
424: Community Forums
425: Photo Gallery
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:49 am
Post subject: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

I have found some interesting items as it relates to the Jumbo.

First of all with the currently existing list:



Being able to ID a Jumbo without the benefit of RN or SN data, I have begun to compile a list of vehicles from photos and record the unit/location based off the Turret Number. Then linking that to the RN/SN list based off of records or additional photos.

There appears to be no sequence to RN/SN data and TN's.

an example is M4A3E2 #1 (The first production Jumbo)
SN 50326 RN 3082923 (TN 2)


In Sept-Oct 1944 This tank was used (and destroyed) for extensive impact tests.

Just a little exercise in futility perhaps, but it'll help keep me off the T95 project 'nightmare' Mr. Green


Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:28 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Thanks Don,
Do you have more from the test reports?
SR
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:47 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Oh yeah, but not 'onhand'.

The 2 month impact testing left Jumbo #1 looking like 'swiss cheese'. The AAR write up is an interesting read as the photo series shows the tank was an excellent upgrade feature.

of the 254 built, 250 are 'released' by the War Dept to the ETO, in late Aug 1944.

In Sept 1944, 3rd Army places a formal request for 150 of the M4A3E2 Jumbos.

Still searching for who got what,...and when.

It looks like 4th Armored may have drawn theirs in Oct 44, but thats not firm yet.

'Digging' & reading continues...

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:48 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Existing M4A3E2 'Jumbo' Assault tanks (Vers 3-1)



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:56 pm
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Don,

What's the story on the Carson turret???

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:19 pm
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

I found this photo (sorry for bad quality). It was taken at Ft Carson, date unknown. It is a Jumbo turret (TN is identifiable in original photo) but it seems to be mounted on a regular M4A3 hull.



Thats all I have.....

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:09 pm
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Enough of this Dontos. Let's get back to the T95 Project!

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:49 pm
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Ha HA Ha......no, I'm having too much fun actually finding answers and clues.

T95 research is on hold. Wink


Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Buq-Buq
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 87

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:30 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Don:

Try this for some pretty detailed info on where the various M4A3E2s went:

forum.axishistory.com/...hp?t=39555


At the beginning, there's some stuff there on improvised uparmored Shermans, but if you scroll down towards the bottom, there is a rather long posting about M4A3E2s. No mention of what happened to the few that stayed in the U.S.

I have to say that I was very surprised to discover (from your first post of this thread) that Jumbo #1 was used for 'target trials'. I would be most curious to discover exactly what was used to fire at this test vehicle, especially considering your description

[qoute]"This tank was used (and destroyed) for extensive impact tests."[/qoute]

What gun would the U.S. have had in September 1944 that would have "destroyed" an M4A3E2? The 90mm M3? I suppose . . . maybe the T15E1 90mm? Was the 105mm T5E1 available by that time?

Are there any extant photos of this test vehicle, during or after the test(s)?




Mark
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:34 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

- Buq-Buq
Don:

I have to say that I was very surprised to discover (from your first post of this thread) that Jumbo #1 was used for 'target trials'. I would be most curious to discover exactly what was used to fire at this test vehicle, especially considering your description

[qoute]"This tank was used (and destroyed) for extensive impact tests."[/qoute]

What gun would the U.S. have had in September 1944 that would have "destroyed" an M4A3E2? The 90mm M3? I suppose . . . maybe the T15E1 90mm? Was the 105mm T5E1 available by that time?



Mark


Might the gun(s) tested not have been one of those of the Allies? Conceivably, it might have been used to test captured weaponry.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Buq-Buq
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 87

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:04 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Doug:

I suppose, in the best of all possible worlds, it would have been German ordnance that was used to fire up M4A3E2 #1. That was, after all, what they really needed to test. Did we conduct a lot of trials like that here in the U.S.? Were there examples of the appropriate types of weapons here in the U.S. at the time, with ammunition? Were there other such firing trials conducted, say, against the T25- and T26-series vehicles? . . . against the 'new' family of heavy tanks, like T28, T29, T30, T32 and T34?

I've never heard of them, but that certainly doesn't mean that they didn't happen. Heck, I didn't know that one of the 254 M4A3E2s was consumed in such a test until Don posted the above note!

What I was really hinting at in my post was that, if the U.S. had a gun that could shoot an M4A3E2 full of holes, they probably should have tried getting it into an AFV mount ASAP. In retrospect, though, it probably could have been done with the ordnance available in September 1944 . . . even something as pedestrian as the M3 90mm (if you will pardon the use of pedestrian to describe that gun at that point in time). If I recall correctly, the Camp Ripley M4A3E2 has several welded-up penetrations that were supposedly inflicted by M26, some time in the 1950s, so it certainly could be done.

Anyway . . . [/ramble]




Mark
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:24 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

An interesting related thread over at Tank-Net:

208.84.116.223/forums/...opic=28090

"Plate" isn't a Jumbo, but apparently live fire testing was performed, so one wonders....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:42 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

First of all, when I say destroyed, it was rendered non-operational, mainly by the sheer number of rounds 'pumped' into it at every concievable angle. The results are a seriously 'pock marked' vehicle. Not to mention all the non-penetrating rounds that are protruding out of the front slope and gun mantle.

I believe that it was primarily shot up with various types US 90mm rounds.

Unfortunately I don't have the specific photos on hand, but on my next visit to the library, I will get the test information & photos.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

Hey Don,

To my uneducated eyes, that looks like a Jumbo hull too. Those differential/final drive housings look mighty thick and that suspension is compressed quite a bit.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:53 am
Post subject: Re: M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault tank

- Joe_D
Hey Don,

To my uneducated eyes, that looks like a Jumbo hull too. Those differential/final drive housings look mighty thick and that suspension is compressed quite a bit.


Joe

My photo of the photo is deceptive. It is not a jumbo hull. Check the AFV register, it has a link to newer photos of the Carson vehicle. It also shows to be a 'normal' M4A3 hull.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum