±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6646

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 111
Total: 111
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Photo Gallery
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: CPGlang
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: CPGlang
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Photo Gallery
17: CPGlang
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: CPGlang
21: Home
22: CPGlang
23: Community Forums
24: CPGlang
25: Member Screenshots
26: CPGlang
27: CPGlang
28: Community Forums
29: Photo Gallery
30: CPGlang
31: Statistics
32: CPGlang
33: CPGlang
34: Home
35: CPGlang
36: Community Forums
37: CPGlang
38: CPGlang
39: CPGlang
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: CPGlang
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Member Screenshots
50: Community Forums
51: CPGlang
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: CPGlang
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: CPGlang
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: CPGlang
64: Community Forums
65: CPGlang
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Home
72: Photo Gallery
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Downloads
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: CPGlang
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Statistics
89: CPGlang
90: CPGlang
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Member Screenshots
94: Community Forums
95: CPGlang
96: CPGlang
97: Community Forums
98: Downloads
99: CPGlang
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: CPGlang
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: CPGlang
108: Community Forums
109: CPGlang
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:05 am
Post subject: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Can anyone identify the exact model?

www.waymarking.com/way...Antonio_TX



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:35 am
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Neil,

M48, or as many say "M48A0" Smile

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:38 am
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Just to argue I believe it could possibly be an M48C the mild steel hull version of the M48. I know they existed and I beleive all were non cupola vehicles (Which would make them the visual equivilant of the A0)

I'm also not sure if they were acytually 'mistakes' as the 'Training Tank only' M60s were or if there was some reason that they were purposely produced with mild steel (Once someone told me that the production process was intentionally sped up by not having the Hulls 'hardened' in order to get vehicles out to training units sooner)

But in general I agree with it being an M48 aka M48A0

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:42 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

I remember the stories that the M48C was based on tanks with problems in the hull castings. As far as getting vehicles into the training units, the M48 was rushed to production and then hundreds went from the factories right into storage as there were so many problems to iron out in these tanks. I don't remember if it made it into the book, but when I was researching M48 photos for the Squadron book that ended up as Mesko's "M48 In Action" ( I was a good gatherer but lousy at deadlines) I had a shot of about a hundred brand new M48s sitting outside the Ford plant.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:29 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

The sign says "M48" so that backs up Joe D's ID.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:30 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Bob,

I don't believe She could be a "C" model because it appears the drivers hatch has been been equipped with the T41 (M24) IR sight opening. Only intermediate small and late model large hatch hulls had this feature, M48C's were early production.

The ballistic deficiency with the pilot tanks and the first 120 now called M48C's was actually centered on the drivers position around the periscopes, where the required thickness was not to specs. Since this was considered a critical area (frontal arc), all these castings were considered unfit for service and marked Non-Ballistic. The steel used was the same as with the standard castings. Protection every where else would be the same as a standard M48.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:56 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

- MarkHolloway
The sign says "M48" so that backs up Joe D's ID.


Although I agree with this (I wouldn't really argue with Joe on M48/M60 questions) How many times have we all seen signs on monuments be wrong. Mr. Green

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:57 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Dissent and constructive criticism are good,

I welcome it because there is always more info out there. Sometimes I go through my notes from 4-5 years ago and cringe. But with research a lot has been either dis proven or confirmed. Most of the time it just creates a new unanswered question. On rare occasions I get a rude shock when I find out what was an accepted and well known fact published in numerous books turns out to be false.

Here's a good one.

What Models of the US M48 required the commanders weapon to be loaded from the outside?

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:08 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Joe

Does the M48A5E1 count??? Wink



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:32 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

That's one, although "Only One" and not a group Laughing

I'm looking more along the lines of, "Which of these apply"

M48
M48A1
M48A2 and A2C
M48A3
M48A5

You can throw in the the two M48A4's and M48A5E1 if you like, although only the A5E1 survives to my knowledge.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:40 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Assuming there is some 'trick' in this question Wink

I know the M48A1, A2, andA3 had a cupola mounted 50 cal. But could it be that there was not enough clearance to LOAD the weapon when buttoned up?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:27 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

After checking a few things,.....

My guess would be the M48(A0) & the M48A5. Both have external MG mounts for the 'flex' M2 .50cal.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:07 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

- Dontos
After checking a few things,.....

My guess would be the M48(A0) & the M48A5. Both have external MG mounts for the 'flex' M2 .50cal.

Don


That is the obvious answer which makes me wonder what fact he has up his sleeve Mr. Green

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:11 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at Fort Sam Houston thanks to waymarking.com

Actually,

All except the later model M48A5's with the "Israeli" style cupola could be loaded while inside.

The M48 with the Chrysler M1 cupola could be Aimed, Fired, and loaded by the crew while inside the turret. All civilian books I've seen would state the commander would have to expose himself to reload. I believed this to be fact for a long time until I started researching early M48's. Got my hands on a TM from 1954 and was surprised.

First, the Loader would have to open his hatch. Then the TC would take a handle stowed inside the turret and disconnect the .50 cal cradle. Next he'd rotate the cupola until it aligned with a couple of arrows marked inside, positioning it over the Loaders hatch. Then using the same crank, he'd attach it to the cupola pivot crank shaft. Turning this would position the weapon correctly so the loader could reload while inside the turret. Once complete, you'd reverse the process to return the gun into firing status.

Kinda a "Rube Goldberg" invention to me, and I doubt very many crews used this feature in training, but......, the capability was there for a crew to reload the M2 with reasonable protection from small arms. Something the M1 still lacks.

"Now you know the rest of the story" Smile

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum