±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 395
Total: 395
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Member Screenshots
04: Community Forums
05: Member Screenshots
06: Home
07: Home
08: Home
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Downloads
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: News
21: Member Screenshots
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Downloads
28: Photo Gallery
29: Home
30: Photo Gallery
31: News Archive
32: Home
33: Home
34: Downloads
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Home
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Member Screenshots
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Downloads
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Member Screenshots
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: News Archive
65: Home
66: Downloads
67: Home
68: Photo Gallery
69: Home
70: Home
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Photo Gallery
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: News Archive
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Member Screenshots
82: Home
83: Downloads
84: Home
85: Home
86: Home
87: Downloads
88: Home
89: Statistics
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: News
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Your Account
97: Home
98: Home
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: News
102: Photo Gallery
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Home
108: Supporters
109: Member Screenshots
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Downloads
114: Community Forums
115: News Archive
116: Member Screenshots
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Home
122: Home
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: News Archive
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Member Screenshots
138: Member Screenshots
139: Home
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Treasury
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Home
150: Community Forums
151: Home
152: Home
153: Home
154: Home
155: Home
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Home
165: Home
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Home
175: Home
176: Home
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Downloads
180: Community Forums
181: Your Account
182: Community Forums
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Home
197: Home
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Member Screenshots
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Downloads
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Photo Gallery
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Member Screenshots
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Home
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Downloads
250: Member Screenshots
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Downloads
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Home
267: Home
268: News
269: Community Forums
270: News
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: News Archive
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Home
278: Member Screenshots
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Statistics
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Downloads
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Downloads
298: Home
299: Home
300: Photo Gallery
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Home
307: Member Screenshots
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Home
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: News
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Home
325: Photo Gallery
326: News
327: Community Forums
328: Home
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: Downloads
334: Home
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Downloads
338: Member Screenshots
339: Member Screenshots
340: Home
341: Home
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Downloads
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Member Screenshots
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Home
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Member Screenshots
361: Community Forums
362: Home
363: Home
364: Home
365: Community Forums
366: Photo Gallery
367: Community Forums
368: Home
369: Member Screenshots
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Contact
378: Home
379: News
380: News
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Home
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Home
394: Community Forums
395: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1, M4A1 76 VVSS
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:21 am
Post subject: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1, M4A1 76 VVSS

Hi Folks,

Found the following items setting out in front of the Ft Bliss Musuem on Friday.

View of some of the new vehicles.
[img][/img]

M4 A1 76mm VVSS
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
[img][/img]

Spot Report!
Sgt Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:55 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I have to assume these are showing up from Germany - right? Any shipping labels still attached by chance?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner

I have to assume these are showing up from Germany - right? Any shipping labels still attached by chance?
Neil


I am also assuming the Hester, M114, M24, and the M4A1 did come from Germany. The M41 was found out in the desert. The staff as of last Monday, had no information about the M3 Stuart.

As for shipping labels, ff there was any, they had been removed by the time I arrived at the Museum. The only none unit/vehicle type markings are those white #1, 2, 7, and 13 markings.

The base newspaper had a story, three or four weeks ago, about the 1st AD Museum starting to move it's vehicle collection with a photo of a M5 Stuart hanging in the air. No listing of what was being ship other than that Stuart in the photo. I haven't seen it yet.

I have recieved a report that a halftrack was unloaded. I haven't seen it, possible the wing wiping modeller who made the first report doesn't know one AFV from a another. He called the M114 a smaller virsion of a M113.

I will conduct another recon mission ASAP and report any news.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I found this video - I think you can see the Hetzer ever so briefly...

And that half-track appears to be a German one...

www.army.mil/media/amp...7862329001

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Here's an article - probably the same picture you saw:

www.army.mil/-news/200...id=twitter




1st Armored Division Museum moves to Fort Bliss

Sep 9, 2009

By Ignacio Rubalcava
1st Armored Division Museum moves to Fort Bliss

BAUMHOLDER, Germany -- Being in the military, sooner or later everyone has to pack up and move. But what if your baggage includes numerous tanks, half-tracks, artillery pieces and a building full of old uniforms, weapons and other military paraphernalia? That's the challenge the 1st Armored Division Museum is facing as it relocates to Fort Bliss, Texas, along with the 1st AD and the 2nd Brigade Combat Team.

To help with moving the tanks and half-tracks, the U.S. Army Garrison Baumholder called on the local Rech Crane Company. A massive red crane, one of the company's biggest, made simple work of loading the vehicles onto the waiting semi-trucks.

Even though Rech employees operate cranes and move things for a living, moving World War II-era vehicles is not something they do every day. Several Rech employees as well as the truck drivers were training their cell phones and digital cameras on the movement.

Even the crane operator, Heiko Kunz, paused to capture the moment by snapping a photo from high atop his strategic location in the "driver's" seat.

"Today we are loading up some of our vehicles that will be located at Fort Bliss, Texas, in support of the 1st Armored Division moving to Fort Bliss," said Ryan Mayer, museum specialist.

"The museum follows the division, in support of the division, so when the division was relocated to Fort Bliss, the museum follows, as it did when the division deployed to Germany in the '70s. This is a natural kind of occurrence," said Mayer.

"These vehicles are tangible reminders, witnesses if you will, of the division's history, the division's long history," he said.

"It's important that these vehicles go with the division so they can continue to educate, inspire, 1st Armored Division Soldiers of their proud history. I look forward to seeing the new museum at Fort Bliss," said Mayer.

The actual name of the museum is the Old Ironsides Museum. It was first established at Fort, Hood, Texas, during the 1950s. Following the 1st Armored Division's move to Germany in 1971, the museum reestablished in Ansbach, Germany.

Museum curator Nicole Suarez is responsible for coordinating the museum's move to Fort Bliss. She said she feels confident with the support she has received.

"We're lucky to have the support of the Baumholder garrison," said Suarez. "The logistics team here is amazing. They're true professionals, and we feel pretty comfortable with them moving our vehicles."

Suarez worked at the museum last year as a volunteer. When the curator left she took over as curator.

And although she has only worked a short time at the museum, she said she has an emotional attachment to these reminders of the past.

"It's hard letting go. They're like children. It's hard letting people take care of them for a while," said Suarez.

"But I think everything will be just fine. If things go like they have gone today we're going to be great," she said.

After the relocation of the 1st AD Headquarters to Bad Kreuznach, Germany, in 1991, Baumholder was chosen as the new home for the museum.

The large installation size and high troop numbers made it a logical choice. Work began in 1992 and the museum opened on Baumholder the following year.

The Old Ironsides Museum now follows the division to its new home at Fort Bliss, Texas.

When the members of the division arrive after their deployment to Iraq, they'll find the museum ready and waiting to include the latest chapter of the storied unit's history.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

That's the story and the photo I was talking about.

Well done Sir!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Nice to see the M4A1 76mm Wet Stowage returned to the US. We have lots of M4A1 76's with HVSS, which (so far) have not been recorded as seeing combat. This tank with VVSS was likely a combat veteran, plus there aren't many of those in the CONUS (I think Knox has (had) one stored away - don't know of any others in the US.

I see the commander's hatch is open - what is the interior condition?

Gary B.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Gary,
As you mentioned, Fort Knox should have an M4A1(76) in storage - although I believe its current location is unknown...

There's also one at the LTC Herbert Mills 1-33 Armor Memorial at Fort Lewis (albeit in the colors of 8-1 Cavalry)



But yeah, you're right - just 3 M4A1(76)VVSS! in the US... I hadnt realized that before!

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Nice to see the M4A1 76mm Wet Stowage returned to the US. We have lots of M4A1 76's with HVSS, which (so far) have not been recorded as seeing combat. This tank with VVSS was likely a combat veteran, plus there aren't many of those in the CONUS (I think Knox has (had) one stored away - don't know of any others in the US.

I see the commander's hatch is open - what is the interior condition?

Gary B


Gary,

I would not say "this is likely a combat veteran" based on the fact that this is an M4A1(76)W. I agree the type was in combat use during WW2, but many more were still stockpiled or used for training when the war ended.

The Baumholder museum sourced various AFVs from friendly armies in Europe, so this Sherman could have come from France, for example, instead of being a genuine ex-1st AD example.

Can someone find out it’s serial number? Or see if the serial number is duplicated on the glacis (typical French feature)?

Thanks,
Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

And oh, I have pleasant memories of this M4A1(76)W. The guys from 1st AD took in to an open house day of the Dutch Army many years ago. I had the pleasure of being given the opportunity to drive it both on and off road. The smile I wear today is still the same from that day!

Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hanno, you are quite right. I tend to think of the medium tank shortage in Europe but I forget that M4A1 76mm types were being delivered into 1945. It would be interesting to know more. If this was indeed a combat veteran it may well have been with British forces in Europe or Italy. I know that both the Italian and French armies used these after WW2, so this vehicle might have some interesting stories to tell.

Until you mentioned driving this tank I had also forgotten that I had seen photos of a restored (or at least operational) M4A1 76mm with the US Army in Germany. Is this the same? It would be great if it had a unit "adopt" it and keep it in good shape.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:06 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

According to Joe Demarco on G104, the 1st AD Museum in Baumholder had 2 M4A1(76)s - including 1 runner (SN 52002).

BTW, the 1st AD Museum at Baumholder also had the following - which will hopefully show up at Fort Bliss

M4A3(75)W VVSS S/N 49047
M3 Lee S/N 4559
M74
M7B2
M7B2
M10 S/N 6412
M20
M74
T-72

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:58 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I think the M4A1(76), here at Ft Knox, that you are thinking about is the Flamethrower conversion.

It was in LST Building & is now in Richardson MP



Unless there is another that I have never seen,..... Shocked
Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:06 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hmm... I think you're right. I'll take it off the Knox "unknown" list...

Any ideas on the following "unknowns"?:

M1 Abrams USA std SN D1301, RN JZ01VZ; formerly at 16th Cavalry HQ



M4A3E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA std SN 65997; formerly at Abrams Center
M74 USA std SN 73362
M551 Sheridan USA std RN 13F158; Formerly at Harris Hall

Also, has that M109A5 left for Greenville KY?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:22 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

That IPM-1 was actually property of KYARNG and was repainted and supposedly to be shipped to Greenville along with the M109A5. It is not at the MAIT site, or anywhere on Ft Knox

That Sheridan is at Wilson Gate, I think. I haven't had the chance to check that out though. Too much construction in the area.

The rest, I'll check out on Wednesday.

Roy, you need to get busy building up a volunteer program!! What a great inventory,....enjoy it.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum