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Massimo_Foti · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

I've been there almost 10 years ago. The collection was already impressive, but it was clear they were transitioning from an army base to a public museum.
What's the status of things right now?

Massimo

Tichenor · Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Massimo

I still looks like an army base, a small part still is I believe. They have a lot of stuff there, and thats the biggest problem. Everything is parked so close together, taking decent pictures is a big problem. Most of the collection is outside but under a roof.

Michel

robertkru · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 11, 2007 Posts: 24

Only from Germany or also small neighbors?
The vehicles from Military museum of Vienna you can find here:
www.ipms.at/index.php?...&Itemid=82

plus they have nicely restaurated Hetzer (G38) in running condition which is not displayed + SU 76 wreck which was found in Danube some time ago.

Regards from Vienna Robert
www.ipms.at

robertkru · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 11, 2007 Posts: 24

May be it is also interesting to take a look at German thread about museums with some smaller places:
www.modellbauforen.de/...act=SF;f=4
Regards Robert

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Only from Germany or also small neighbors?

Well Robert, my plan at the moment is just Germany
I think it will be enough work to make that one at the moment

And concerning the small neighbours, I don't think you mean Belgium (list al ready existing) and The Netherlands (list in progress)

More likely Österreich und vielleicht ein kleines bisschen der Schweiz Wink

(that would be Austria and Switzerland, for the English readers) Mr. Green

At the moment when I find something about Austria or Switzerland, I just save the information or the webpage link
That's all

However it would be much more practical if some-one who lived in that certain country would make the list
For example that some-one who lives in Vienna would make an list for Austria

If you get the message Wink

We could help the person with an template of the register, photo's and stuff like that

That is about the way the others talked me in to make an list for The Netherlands Rolling Eyes

Thanks again guys

Michel

JimWeb · Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- robertkru

May be it is also interesting to take a look at German thread about museums with some smaller places:
www.modellbauforen.de/...act=SF;f=4
Regards Robert

I took over the running of Henriks Military Museums Site and though its slightly out of date (sic) its recently been made available online yet again - it may help a little...

www.jedsite.info/elgg-...ricks.html

bialy-r · Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Is there a ZSU-57-2 in Militärhistorischen Museum der Bundeswehr, Dresden (Germany)

or somewhere in Germany a East Germany FAB 500U ("FAB" stands for Fahrausbildungspanzer) - ZSU-57-2 converted into a training vehicle for T-54 drivers

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- Michel_Krauss

At the moment when I find something about Austria or Switzerland, I just save the information or the webpage link
That's all

Don't forget Massimo and I are working on Preserved Tanks in Switzerland:

preservedtanks.com/Loc...p;Select=4

so anything you can add to that would be greatly appreciated! In addition to those locations shown there, Fort Giroud and Forte Mondascia are in the pipeline.

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Don't forget Massimo and I are working on Preserved Tanks in Switzerland:

To be honest I almost forgot...

Maybe the following links could be useful

www.armeemuseum.ch/index.php?id=35

On the page are various links to Swiss museums, including Forte Mondascia (this is in Italian only, something for Massimo)

Second:
www.bunkermuzeum.hu/Bu...jc2_en.htm

This looks like your page Trevor
Map of Switzerland with waymarkings at various museums and an link to the museum

They have also an map of Germany
www.bunkermuzeum.hu/Bu...ag2_en.htm

Michel

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Hi folks,

another page with info about various museums

www.aviationmuseum.eu/index.html

Most of the museums listed are "airplane" museums, however other museums are also listed
Besides that, most "airplane" museums also have the equipment present to get the plane down from the sky

Either man portable, wheeled or tracked Wink

Michel

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

I considered creating a registry for Switzerland, but I have other priorities at the moment.
Forte Mondascia is well know, it's the nearest tank from my home Laughing

Massimo

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

I considered creating a registry for Switzerland, but I have other priorities at the moment

But I would be more than happy to help if anybody would like to work on one. Main problem would be, as always, to track preserved AFVs inside military areas

Massimo

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- Michel_Krauss

To be honest I almost forgot... :zip:

Maybe the following links could be useful

www.armeemuseum.ch/index.php?id=35

On the page are various links to Swiss museums, including Forte Mondascia (this is in Italian only, something for Massimo)

Second:
www.bunkermuzeum.hu/Bu...jc2_en.htm

This looks like your page Trevor
Map of Switzerland with waymarkings at various museums and an link to the museum

They have also an map of Germany
www.bunkermuzeum.hu/Bu...ag2_en.htm

Thanks - I had come across those sites before, but you've reminded me to check through them for collections in Switzerland we might have missed.

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Switzerland is full of fortifications, quite a few were turned into museums (more could be in the future). But it's hard to tell if they have tanks too, you can assume they may have some field gun, most likely not tanks.

One thing s not well know yet is the "Centi-bunkers", bunkers that use retired Centurion's turrets. It was planned to build plenty of them, but they stopped after the Warsaw Pact collapsed.

There is at least one centi-bunker place here in Ticino, Forte Mondascia's association handles it (together with other 4-5 forts), but it's visible only for groups, upon request Crying or Very sad

Massimo

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Hi folks,

okay, working of the list:

Robert, concerning the Autria AFV register let start an special topic about that

Jim, thanks for the link to Henriks Military Museums Site
It will be useful to finding the museums, even there is only just the name of the museum Wink

Are you just running the site or also making update's?

Rafal, I could not find an anything about an existing example of former NVA ZSU-57-2 so far
Only an picture of an ZSU converted to to drivers training vehicle FAB 500U
www.flak11.de/Flak-3Start.htm

The description of the ZSU 57-2 has been Fla-SFL ZSU 57-2 and the last one was already redrawn from service in 1979
The last driver training vehicle's went to the German Bundeswehr, do not know what has happend to them

Massimo / Trevor keep up the good work for the Swiss reg Wink

However to get back to the original topic: German AFV register
Who has picture's ??

Michel

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