±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 238
Total: 238
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Member Screenshots
02: Member Screenshots
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Member Screenshots
08: Downloads
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Member Screenshots
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Photo Gallery
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Downloads
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: CPGlang
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Home
46: Downloads
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Member Screenshots
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Statistics
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Member Screenshots
69: Downloads
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: CPGlang
81: Home
82: Downloads
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Home
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Downloads
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Home
103: Photo Gallery
104: Photo Gallery
105: Member Screenshots
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Home
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Member Screenshots
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: News Archive
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Home
128: Downloads
129: Downloads
130: Community Forums
131: Downloads
132: Downloads
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: CPGlang
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Downloads
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Downloads
160: News Archive
161: Downloads
162: Downloads
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Member Screenshots
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: CPGlang
174: Photo Gallery
175: Photo Gallery
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Downloads
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Member Screenshots
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: CPGlang
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Your Account
213: Member Screenshots
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Downloads
217: Community Forums
218: Home
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Home
222: Home
223: Home
224: Downloads
225: Member Screenshots
226: Photo Gallery
227: Photo Gallery
228: CPGlang
229: Home
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

Yeah, that and the front shape of the hull. I'll need to check my Crismon sometime this weekend, unless someone can beat me to it...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

- blackdog




That is an army prototype

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

- Neil_Baumgardner
Its close, but this appears to be the second XM759

preservedtanks.com/Ima...hotoID=200



No thats the original prototype.

And this is the Marine Corp prototype..



EDIT - Had to change the image link because I was working on the web pages

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************


Last edited by JimWeb on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:57 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
blackdog
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2010
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

How can you tell? As far as I know, it was in the Amphibious Museum on Camp Pendleton and then subsequently loaned to a private collector, sold illegally by this person, restored by the next owner, then taken back by the USMC.

On a related note, I find this vehicle to be the perfect example of why many one of a kind vehicles are better off in civilian hands in private collections than in government hands. It would have never been restored to the condition it is now in if it had stayed in the Marine Corps.
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

Oh and I fixed the link on my web site...

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

So Jim, what is this then?

preservedtanks.com/Ima...hotoID=200

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

- Neil_Baumgardner
So Jim, what is this then?

preservedtanks.com/Ima...hotoID=200

Neil


Thats the original prototype - it performed well so both the Army & USMC decided to buy their own prototypes. The US Army (of course) went for a utility version and the USMC went for the luxury model Wink

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

- blackdog
How can you tell?


Pictures from the Army trials - conducted seperatly from the USMC trials of course Wink


_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

- blackdog
How can you tell? As far as I know, it was in the Amphibious Museum on Camp Pendleton and then subsequently loaned to a private collector, sold illegally by this person, restored by the next owner, then taken back by the USMC.


Interesting - So which is this one then...


_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
blackdog
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2010
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

That's the one I'm talking about.

Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

Interesting... you will have noticed by now that we have images of four different vehicles?

I'm beginning to think that the USMC ended up with the army prototype as well..

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
blackdog
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2010
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

In terms of surviving ones, I'm seeing the two at Quantico, and the one that I posted pictures of.

www.oto6.free.fr/6roue...airoll.htm

Picture #4 = Quantico
Picture #5 = Pendleton Amphibious Museum
Picture #6 = Same As #5 In Private Collection - but now back at Pendleton

-----------------------------------
Edit:
-----------------------------------

Upon further research, it would appear as though the one in picture #4 on the web page I linked to is actually designated as LVA-X1. If you look closely at the picture on the page linked to by Neil, you can see that this is also stenciled on the side of this vehicle. In conclusion, I think that it would be safe to say that this specific vehicle is actually an LVA-X1 and not an XM-759.

This would fit with my having heard that there are only two actual XM-759 prototypes in existence: The one that is at Pendleton, and the other similar looking one which was also linked to by Neil which resides at Quantico.
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Museum

I'm even more convinced that the one at Pendleton is the Army prototype...

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
blackdog
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2010
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

I'm not going to say it is or it isn't because I don't know for a fact but considering the fact that it was in the Amphib Museum on Pendleton (as early as 1975) I'd personally lean towards it being one of at least two XM-759 prototypes that the USMC had. Remember, there were supposedly 7 XM-759's made. Plenty to go around for everyone.

Here's what that website has to say, courtesy of Google Translate...

1 - Airoll: The first working prototype simplified called Airoll (photo 3), was established in June 1962 by Ingersoll Kalamazoo Division of Borg Warner and the U.S. Navy. After testing, this system was considered the first vehicle outperforming the wheel and the caterpillar. Sixteen tires 'Terra Tires' attached to chains driven by large diameter sprockets rotate freely. The tires were less pressed between the 'docks' and the ground. To move through the deep mire half liquid, swamps, snow and sand, the rollers do not turn over but always moving in translation and act as wheels. It was reported that the device behaved better than any known vehicle in the mud almost liquid. Powered by a Chrysler V8 engine and weighing 9 T, it could travel at 50 km / h on land and 16 on the water.


Photo 4 - Airoll 1, 2nd prototype in 1965.

2 - Airoll I: The Borg-Warner Corporation and the U.S. Marine Corps in 1965 presented a more elaborate version, closer and more practice, I Airoll (photo 4), equipped with 13 tires on each side, mud guards , position lights and windshield. With a capacity of half a tonne and tested extensively on 15 000 km, this achievement was rather successful. With excellent skills on soft soil and water, the lateral stability and reliability should be improved. Known also as the 'Water Skipper' or LVA-X1, it is to our knowledge a copy to the USMC Museum in Quantico, Maryland.


Photo 5 - XM 759 at Pendelton Museum around 1975.


Photo 6 - XM 759 in a Museum of Northern California around 2005.


Photo 7 - XM 759 in tests in 1967.


Photo 8 - XM 759 in tests in 1967.

3 - XM 759: The U.S. Army took the idea and ordered the XM759 Marginal Terrain Vehicle (photos 5-6-7-8) to Pacific Car and Foundry. It weighed 4.2 tonnes for a payload of 1.4 tonnes, length 6.2 m, 2.8 m wide and 17 tires on each side.

USMC bought 7 more better equipped to test and manufactured between February and March 1967. The XM 759 could carry 14 fully equipped men plus 2 crew. The features are: ground pressure 0.15 kg/cm2, tank 223 liters and 260 km of autonomy, maximum gradient 60% and reached 30% Devers, crossing a vertical wall of 0.9 m and a trench 2 m wide. It was self troubleshoot with capstan heads bolted on the front sprockets or rear wheels. The engine was located behind the cab.


Note: The vehicle in photo #5 and #6 are the same one. I know this for a fact.
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Help/Pics Needed - Former Quantico Marine-Air Ground Mus

- blackdog


Upon further research, it would appear as though the one in picture #4 on the web page I linked to is actually designated as LVA-X1. If you look closely at the picture on the page linked to by Neil, you can see that this is also stenciled on the side of this vehicle. In conclusion, I think that it would be safe to say that this specific vehicle is actually an LVA-X1 and not an XM-759.


That one is an Airoll 1 prototype - they preceded the XM759 series and possibly was designated LVA-X1 but remeber that it may have had that painted on it after it became a museum exhibit. You know what museum staff are like for painting things on vehicles that aren't quite correct

Wink

BTW were those images taken by you?

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 3 of 4
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum