±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 324
Total: 324
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Search
02: Home
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Home
19: Photo Gallery
20: Downloads
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Downloads
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Home
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Photo Gallery
33: Photo Gallery
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Member Screenshots
37: Home
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Home
42: Downloads
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: News Archive
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Home
55: Home
56: Home
57: Photo Gallery
58: News
59: News Archive
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Member Screenshots
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Photo Gallery
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: News Archive
72: News Archive
73: Member Screenshots
74: Home
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Home
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Member Screenshots
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Member Screenshots
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Your Account
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Statistics
98: Home
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Member Screenshots
108: Community Forums
109: Home
110: Downloads
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Downloads
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: News Archive
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Member Screenshots
130: Home
131: Home
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Home
144: Home
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Member Screenshots
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Home
155: Photo Gallery
156: Home
157: Member Screenshots
158: Home
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Home
163: Photo Gallery
164: Home
165: Photo Gallery
166: Home
167: Photo Gallery
168: Member Screenshots
169: Statistics
170: Member Screenshots
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Home
174: Home
175: Home
176: Home
177: Home
178: Home
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Downloads
182: Home
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Home
189: Member Screenshots
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Member Screenshots
207: Statistics
208: Home
209: Member Screenshots
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Home
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Member Screenshots
217: Member Screenshots
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Home
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Photo Gallery
224: Community Forums
225: Member Screenshots
226: Home
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Home
231: Home
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Home
240: Home
241: News
242: Community Forums
243: Home
244: LinkToUs
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Downloads
252: Community Forums
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Home
262: Home
263: Home
264: Member Screenshots
265: Home
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Home
269: Home
270: Member Screenshots
271: Home
272: Home
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Photo Gallery
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Statistics
285: Statistics
286: Home
287: Member Screenshots
288: Community Forums
289: Statistics
290: Home
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Downloads
296: Home
297: Member Screenshots
298: Member Screenshots
299: Member Screenshots
300: Home
301: Home
302: Home
303: Home
304: Home
305: Home
306: Home
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Home
311: Home
312: Downloads
313: Photo Gallery
314: News
315: Statistics
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: News Archive
320: Home
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:32 pm
Post subject: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

24 of such tanks were build, 12 assembled by CKD used gasoline engines, 12 assembled in Switzerland and used swiss Saurer diesel engines. Up to one year ago we identified 4 survivors:

- Sinsheim. R/N: ????
Not in great condition, disguised as Pz 38(t):
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12433

- Full. R/N 7543
In running order, but the engine isn't original
www.preservedtanks.com...iqueID=839

- Thun. Panzermuseum. R/N 7562
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12552

- Thun. SHP Collection. R/N 7573
In running order, with diesel engine
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12545

Last year I've managed to catch another Pz 39 that used to be in Solothurm

- Schaffhausen. Museum Im Zeughaus. R/N 7522
In running order, with gasoline engine
www.preservedtanks.com...queID=1038

Well, 5 out 24 was already pretty good. But there is more!

- Thun. Army base. R/N 78587
Used as monument inside the base, the R/N indeed looks weird, and it could easily be a mistake
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12546

I was super happy for chasing two such tanks within a year but... There is more!
Thanks to Martin Haudenschild I learned there are 3 more tanks I've never heard of before. All of them belong to the Swiss Army and are located inside military areas. None of them is in running order:

- Bure. Two tanks

- Vegelles. R/N 7561

I expect it will be tricky to try and visit these additional three tanks, but at least we are aware of them, and so the last count is 9 survivors out of 24. Not that bad Cool

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:07 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

I bet palic could tell you where to find the serial number stamped?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:33 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

I bet palic could tell you where to find the serial number stamped?


I don't know. In the past I've tried to find the serial number stamped on the outside. But I've fund nothing so far. I know the place where the serial is located for LT vz. 35, but that was a Skoda design, while the LTL-H was designed by CKD.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:18 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

- Massimo_Foti

- Thun. Army base. R/N 78587
Used as monument inside the base, the R/N indeed looks weird, and it could easily be a mistake


Would be rather 7587... given that other LTL-H have a RN starting with 75xx, with 4 digits.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
JiriTintera
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 218
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

Dear Sirs,
i do not know English, but I hope my text is understandable.

Company CKD serial numbers give the right side of the vehicle in front of shield disc wheel, or in top plate armor, or elsewhere, as he wished customer.

Inside the vehicle was located production name plate on the engine bulkhead, with a series of data.

JRT





Last edited by JiriTintera on Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:07 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

Thanks a lot for the tip, I'll try to check the serial number next time I see a LTL-H

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
JiriTintera
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 218
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:38 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

Vladimír Francev, Charles Kliment: Exportní lehké tanky Praga, vydavatelství MBI, Praha 2007, ISBN 978-80-86524-14-6, Page 19.

Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:27 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

- the_shadock

Would be rather 7587... given that other LTL-H have a RN starting with 75xx, with 4 digits.

P-O


well, there was no SN 7587, the current RN is definitely wrong.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
JiriTintera
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 218
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:09 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

SN 7587 - yes, this would be bad writing!
SN 75187 - a new identification number established in the forties.

Swiss four-digit code applied to about 1942. Then there is a new five-digit code number.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
zemsi
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2012
Posts: 160
Location: Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:42 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

- Massimo_Foti

Thanks to Martin Haudenschild I learned there are 3 more tanks I've never heard of before. All of them belong to the Swiss Army and are located inside military areas. None of them is in running order:

- Bure. Two tanks

- Vegelles. R/N 7561



... just to keep this thread up to date, the 3 missing tanks have been updated on Trevors site:
- Vugelles La Mothe
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1258]Bure Praga 1[/url]
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1259]Bure Praga 2[/url]

Greetings
Chris

_________________
www.wheelsandtracks.com and my pics on flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:44 pm
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

I was at Thun for the annual assembly of Armeemusem Association. And I collected some interesting info:

- The tank near Thun's sport field is now in Burgdorf:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1211

- The tank in Vugelles is a unique, special vehicle, it's a "Panzerattrappe", a training version, the gun is a dummy, but it was like that whenever it was in service, it wasn't added just for display purposes. The rails around the turret is another special feature of this unique vehicle:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1253
This tank is now in Burgdorf too.

Ideally at least one of these will be restored to running conditions.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
zemsi
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2012
Posts: 160
Location: Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:34 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

Hi Massimo

Vugelles: Great news, now we only have to find period pics which show this dummy tank in action.

Greetings
Chris

_________________
www.wheelsandtracks.com and my pics on flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:49 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

great news. I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:57 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

- the_shadock
I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.


Unfortunately the collection in Burgdorf isn't accessible and I wonder for how long it will stay that way Crying or Very sad

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
zemsi
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2012
Posts: 160
Location: Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:31 am
Post subject: Re: LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register

What do u mean by "Not accessible"? Last year there were over 4000 visitors. You just have to join a group visit. Very easy to do that. Will be there next week and try to take some pics...

_________________
www.wheelsandtracks.com and my pics on flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum