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Michel_Krauss
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
Hi folks, have some additional PaK from Overloon First: Solothurn S-18/100 20 mm Swiss AT rifle Second: the 75mm Pak 40 that is located in the seperate hallway of the museum (finaly got myself an picture) last: 37mm PaK 36 with very strange early war wheels Michel _________________ I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You

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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
I've seen those wheels on soviet 37 and 45 mm guns. Maybe the gun isn't german? Massimo

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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
Could be, there is no sign with an description And it is parked among various guns, with different countries of origin Michel _________________ I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You

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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...937_(53-K) Massimo

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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
Thanks for the ID Massimo, now I have to go to Overloon again to get myself more picture's of it Michel _________________ I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You

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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
I guess you really should BTW How things are going with your Canon EOS? Have you got better results with indoor shots and difficult light conditions? Massimo

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:20 pm
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It is getting better in time Wink

The first time I tried after your advice, was no good Shocked

It was at the ArmyCars,Zwijndrecht collection

Part of the building has an glass roof so daylight can get in

How ever the day before it had been snowing (this winter most snow in 14 years)

This gave an very strange "grey" light, and the camera did not get it
Picture's taken with flash turned out all to dark, the one's without flash to light (and shaken) Crying or Very sad

Good thing most events now are outside Mr. Green

Michel

edit: these last 3 picture's where taken with an small camera, not the EOS

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
I am always willing to discuss camera and photo techniques. It's a complex topic and I am not an expert, I try to learn as I go. If you would like to discuss more, open a new topic on the main forum. It could turn into something interesting. Massimo

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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
I have one more PAK for you guys It is below the Nijmegen bridge in the bushes. Walter

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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
Nice picture´s I have seen it on the ww2museums.com site, however it did not show the bad state of the gun www.ww2museums.com/art...albrug.htm _________________ I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You

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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
While the subject has been raised, does anyone know where to find the gun numbers on PaK 40's? I did a walk-around of a pair in Cincinnati about a year or so ago and couldn't locate any, that I could tell.

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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:56 pm
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I don't know if it are the numbers you are looking for

However at the PaK at the Overloon museum there are several numbers at the breech block

I do not know the right English names for it, so I hope you understand

To the left of the chamber "PJ" second line "1054"

However the line below the chamber with the red line is the interresting part

In the lower left corner some numbers, that I can not read from the picture
Then in the middle 2 line's above each other (the * mark an digit that can not be read, so 2 ** is 2 digits)
1st line "Bs.Fl.Gbb3 **d"
2nd line "M.Fl.4147 CZ"

However because I do not have an clear picture of the breech it could be that some of the digit should be something else
So the F could be an E

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: PAK in the Netherlands
I have another Pak 36 It is located in Deventer under the bridge ( that's the bridge they used in the movie " a bridge too far "

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:22 pm
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Visited the PAK43/41 L71 in Susteren today. It is located at the corner Raadhuisplein/Oude Rijksweg Noord (N 51 03.944 E 005 51.244)

No visible numbers on the gun. It is named ''Braun Ark'' On the inside/left of the gunshield is a black painted number ''187''.

It was one of the 3 AT-guns the Germans used in Susteren. The preserved gun was left behind in the vicinity of N 51 03.974 E005 51.313 (cafe Restaurant Bie Alois). Another gun was positioned near the Hoffmans Cross under 3 Olm trees and the 3rd was positioned in a grain mait in the open field

Some battle damage, also the barrel near the shield showed some damage by shrapnell(?)

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:14 pm
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These days I am digging Solothurn's 20 mm weapons. Do you have additional pictures and info about their usage by Dutch Army?

Are you sure the anti-tank version was S-18-100 instead of S-18-1000 or S-18-1100?
Do they used/tried anti-aircraft weapons from Solothurn too?
Looks like Solothurn send a bunch of weapons in spring 1940, but they were stopped during the travel in the USA since it was too late to deliver them and, in the end, they went back to Switzerland.

Zaloga mentioned US Army evaluated S-18-1000, but gave up on the idea. Wikipedia reports that too:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._S-18/1000

I am curious to know if the US Army considered the weapons that were supposed to be delivered to the Netherlands or a more recent version.

Anyway, any additional info, either from the Netherlands or the USA is welcome.

If you have pictures from museums please contact me directly, I would love to get copies.

Massimo

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