±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 351
Total: 351
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: News
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Member Screenshots
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Member Screenshots
14: Member Screenshots
15: News Archive
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Member Screenshots
23: Home
24: News Archive
25: Member Screenshots
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: Member Screenshots
29: Member Screenshots
30: Photo Gallery
31: Member Screenshots
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Member Screenshots
35: Downloads
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Member Screenshots
39: Home
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Home
44: Home
45: News
46: Home
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: News Archive
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Home
59: Home
60: Member Screenshots
61: Member Screenshots
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Your Account
70: Member Screenshots
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Member Screenshots
74: Downloads
75: News Archive
76: Home
77: Member Screenshots
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Member Screenshots
81: Home
82: Member Screenshots
83: Home
84: Home
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Photo Gallery
89: Member Screenshots
90: Photo Gallery
91: Member Screenshots
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Your Account
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Your Account
100: Home
101: News Archive
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Home
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: News Archive
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Member Screenshots
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Photo Gallery
123: Downloads
124: Home
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Member Screenshots
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Member Screenshots
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Downloads
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Member Screenshots
143: Member Screenshots
144: Member Screenshots
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: News
151: Home
152: News Archive
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Member Screenshots
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Member Screenshots
159: Community Forums
160: Member Screenshots
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Downloads
164: Photo Gallery
165: Member Screenshots
166: Home
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Home
171: Member Screenshots
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: News Archive
175: Member Screenshots
176: Community Forums
177: Downloads
178: Photo Gallery
179: Photo Gallery
180: News Archive
181: Photo Gallery
182: Home
183: Downloads
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Your Account
188: Member Screenshots
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Your Account
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Member Screenshots
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Member Screenshots
206: Community Forums
207: Downloads
208: Community Forums
209: Member Screenshots
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: News Archive
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Home
218: Home
219: Home
220: Home
221: Downloads
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Downloads
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Photo Gallery
234: Downloads
235: Home
236: News Archive
237: News
238: News Archive
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Photo Gallery
246: News Archive
247: Home
248: Home
249: Member Screenshots
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: News Archive
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Member Screenshots
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Downloads
265: Member Screenshots
266: Community Forums
267: Member Screenshots
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Home
274: Member Screenshots
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Member Screenshots
287: News Archive
288: Member Screenshots
289: Member Screenshots
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Member Screenshots
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Member Screenshots
299: Community Forums
300: News Archive
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Member Screenshots
304: Member Screenshots
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: News Archive
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Member Screenshots
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Your Account
315: Home
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Member Screenshots
323: Home
324: Member Screenshots
325: Member Screenshots
326: Home
327: Home
328: Member Screenshots
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Home
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Member Screenshots
347: Member Screenshots
348: Home
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:43 pm
Post subject: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

In front of the museum (N52 01.611 E005 52.309) and visible from the road is a T-34/85. It came from the Dresden museum. The museum swapped (correct spelling/word?) it for a so-called ''goulashkanone'', a sort of fieldkitchen which was used by the Germans in/around Arnhem.

According to the museum staff it was used by the Wehrmacht in the 2nd worldwar.




WO2 headlight??
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:14 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

That is an NOTEK black-out headlight, standard used on al German WW2 military vehicle's

Walter has been there also this month and he found out, that the gun is an late type 88mm, with an 88mm muzzlebrake

I don't know if this is original WW2 Confused
The German's used captured T34 tanks, however never heard any thing about replacing the original main gun with an German one

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:53 am
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

- Michel_Krauss
That is an NOTEK black-out headlight, standard used on al German WW2 military vehicle's

You can also see Noteks on soviet tanks used by czechoslovakian Army after WW II. I have a few pictures from Lesany that show it.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:59 am
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

That looks like an ex-austrian army one rather than ex-wehrmacht...

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Koluchiy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 19, 2009
Posts: 178

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:17 am
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

Maybe, some other photos?

_________________
RTY on other forums;

Looking for Pz.IV manuals D 653/2 Erzatsteilliste(pictures), D 653/10, D 653/25 (Handbuch fur den Panzerfahrer), D 653/50b, D 653/50c, D653/51
Looking for Maybach HL120 repair instruction...
(Copyes or scans)
Can pay money or exchange
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:28 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

@ Jim; is it possible to see it is former Austrian?

@ Koluchiy; what type of photo do you need? Maybe I have some from a couple of years ago.
Back to top
View user's profile
Koluchiy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 19, 2009
Posts: 178

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:05 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

Front and rear view of the hull.
The best case - photo of the nose where S/N should be located.

_________________
RTY on other forums;

Looking for Pz.IV manuals D 653/2 Erzatsteilliste(pictures), D 653/10, D 653/25 (Handbuch fur den Panzerfahrer), D 653/50b, D 653/50c, D653/51
Looking for Maybach HL120 repair instruction...
(Copyes or scans)
Can pay money or exchange
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:22 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

Since it was not possible to get closer, I tried to picture the serial. But maybe you can use this picture
Back to top
View user's profile
Koluchiy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 19, 2009
Posts: 178

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

The S/N is not visible.

_________________
RTY on other forums;

Looking for Pz.IV manuals D 653/2 Erzatsteilliste(pictures), D 653/10, D 653/25 (Handbuch fur den Panzerfahrer), D 653/50b, D 653/50c, D653/51
Looking for Maybach HL120 repair instruction...
(Copyes or scans)
Can pay money or exchange
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:20 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

I don not have one with an S/N visible, at the time of the picture (2007) I wasn't realy following that

However I do have some picture's of the front and side's

To picture the rear of the vehicle is an problem, because this vehicle is part of an private collection and is parked on private property
So the only photo's possible are the one's from the public road, unless you got permission to walk around Neutral

Picture of the front


To keep the page size down in size just some links to:
picture right side
i1015.photobucket.com/...den_16.jpg

picture's left side, front part
i1015.photobucket.com/...den_05.jpg

middle part
i1015.photobucket.com/...den_06.jpg

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:14 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

Much better views of it - and its not ex-austrian (the headlight is the wrong shape, no rail to hang sideplates on) its ex-czechoslovakian mocked up a little.

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:45 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

A T-34/85 seen in Lesany back in 1998. See the Notek:





Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:48 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

The difference between the austrian & czech ones appears to be mainly that headlight. The austrian ones used a more barrel shaped headlight usually fitted with slotted mask - very similar (if not the same item) to the one seen on Tigers etc (Bosch?)

The austrians 'inherited' 37 T34/85 which they fitted with that headlight & Notek light. When they started to replace them 19 were stripped of external fittings and used for fortifications, the remainder were modernised with an american radio & sideplates amongst other items and then placed in reserve. The sideplates were shallow and suspended from a round rail. The area around the turret antennae was 'modified'.

The info comes from an old intelligence report and you can read the rest of it on JED. The images with it are totally unreadable.

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:54 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

- JimWeb
The austrians 'inherited' 37 T34/85


correct me if I'm wrong, however the Austrians did not realy "inherited" the T34/85
The Austrian army recieved them through an Russian military aid program in 1955

The last one was removed from it's defence position in 2007

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:58 pm
Post subject: Re: T-34/85 at Schaarsbergen (NLD)

The 'aid program' was actually stuff left behind by the soviets when they withdrew. Most of it was being used by the few paramilitary units the soviets had formed while they occupied eastern Austria.

Probably the best book on this area & period is Austria, Germany, and the Cold War: from the Anschluss to the State Treaty 1938-1955 by Rolf Steininger

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum