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Thought those Panthers in VN were pink, but not sure of the shade of pink.

- Doug_Kibbey

Now, on the other matter, has anybody else heard anything about French Panther's in Vietnam?

Doug, I believe it was still called Indochina when France did use these tanks.
The Panther tank was put out of service in 1952 in the French 503rd Tank Battalion and French 6ème Régiment de Cuirassiers, due to the lack of spare parts (as usual in the French Army, indeed).

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Neil,

what do you have for the Wheatcroft Collection?

thanks

P-O

- Neil_Baumgardner

In fact, you seem to have a pretty good knack at this P-O. Can you help with the following? :)


MILLOM
QinetiQ (former DERA facility), Eskmeals
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR out? VRN 06FA49
Chieftain Mk 3 GBR out? VRN 00FC51

Neil, I'm on holiday in the Lake District next week and I'll try to track this down. Have you any more information?

- Neil_Baumgardner

SWYNNERTON
Swynnerton Training Area, off the M6 motorway
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR out? VRN 04EB22; Prototype?

Also this one, as I'll be driving past Swynnerton.

Trevor,
Not really - but have been able to find the following:

www.content-delivery.c...meals.html

www.qinetiq.com/global...arNum=2427

Neil

Ok, thanks. I'll try to get to Eskmeals while I'm up there, but I'll probably skip Swynnerton - it looks like a big place and I won't have time to hunt around.

Neil

Do you have an updated list of vehicles which are in Bovington Tank Museum and in Bovington Camp ??

Could you post it?

Nothing much "updated," and it seemed to cause a lot of debate and heartburn last time... But here you go:

The Tank Museum, King George V Rd & Linsay Rd, Bovington Camp
(N50 41.684 W002 14.584)
A1E1 Independent GBR ind WD No. T1020
A4 Light Tank Mk IIA GBR ind WD No. T948?; only surv. Example?
A9 Cruiser Mk I GBR ind WD No. T7230; “Eager” 1
A10 Cruiser Mk IIACS GBR ind WD No. T9261; only surv. Example?
A11 Infantry Tank Matilda I GBR ind WD No. T3447?, SN HMH 802
A11 Infantry Tank Matilda I GBR ind WD No. T8106; SN PMX 466,“Demon”2
A12 Infantry Tank Matilda II GBR ind WD No. T10459; “Gold Miller”
A12 Infantry Tank Matilda II CDL GBR ind WD No. T7341; “Dover”
A13 Cruiser Mk III GBR ind WD No. T4425; “Agility” 3
A13 Cruiser Mk III Covenanter GBR ind “Achilles”
A15 Cruiser Mk VI Crusader III GBR ind Painted WD No. T126272
A15 Cruiser Mk VI Crusader III turret GBR ind
A15 Crusader III AA turret GBR ind
A17E1 Tetrarch I GBR ind WD No. T9274; “Ritz” 4
A22F Churchill Mk VII GBR ind WD No. T347848/M; last built 5
A22 Churchill Mk III AVRE GBR ind Runner 6
A22 Churchill Crocodile trailer GBR ind
A27L Centaur Dozer GBR ind WD No. T186642, VRN 54ZR78 7
A27M Cromwell IV GBR ind Painted WD No. T190003 8
A33 Excelsior GBR ind WD No. T2866; Pilot B 9
A34 Comet GBR ind “Adamant;” Painted VRN 09ZR88
A38 Valiant I GBR ind Only prototype built
A39 Tortoise GBR ind First pilot model - only survivor?
A43 Black Prince GBR ind Pilot No. 4; only complete survivor 10
AC1 Sentinel AUS ind SN 8049, WD No. T41525
AEC Mk II GBR ind SN F88707
AML-60 FRA ind RN 204-0203
AML-90 FRA/ARG ind Captured during Falklands War
AMX-13 FRA ind SN 212, painted RN 12480316
AMX-30B2 FRA ind RN 2840-127
AMX PC mod.56 FRA ind RN 638-0343; from Saumur in 1987
Archer GBR ind RN? S280017, VRN 83ZS80
Bison concrete armoured lorry GBR ind
BMP-1 SOV/IRQ ind SN 83041051; captured 1991 Gulf War
BRDM-1 SOV ind
BRDM-2RKhB SOV/IRQ ind SN A03072; captured 1991 Gulf War
BTR-60PA SOV ind
Carden-Loyd Mk VI GBR ind WD No. T612, RN MT9909 11
Centurion Mk 1 GBR ind WD No. T352416, VRN 03ZR70 12
Centurion Mk 3 Crocodile GBR ind WD No. T351770, VRN 03ZR71
Centurion Mk 3 (cutaway) GBR ind WD No. T351992, VRN 02ZR18
Centurion Mk 13 GBR ind VRN 04CC87
Centurion BARV GBR ind VRN 00ZR21
Challenger V3A2 prototype GBR out VRN 05SP52
Challenger 1 Mk 3 GBR ind VRN 64KG87; Gulf War veteran
Challenger 1 GBR ind VRN 64KG94; Gulf War vet, BATUS
Challenger 2 prototype GBR ind Prototype V5, VRN 06SP91
Char B1 bis 740(f) FRA/DEU ind Extra armor fitted to turret ring 13
Charioteer GBR ind Displayed in Jordanian Army colors 14
Chieftain Mk 12 GBR ind VRN 11FD58; served with BAOR
Chieftain Mk 13 GBR out VRN 02EB65; served with BAOR
Aluminum Chieftain GBR std VRN 04SP28; Acquired in 1990 15
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR out VRN 05EB65, ex ATDU Gate Guardian
Conqueror Mk I GBR ind VRN 40BA86
Contentious GBR ind RN UXM127 16
Coventry Mk I GBR ind RN F210605; Only survivor
Crossley/Chevrolet armoured car GBR ind “Nowshera;” Donated by Pakistan
Crossley Mk I armoured car GBR ind “HMAC Bisley”
CV-33 flamethrower ITA std RN 1065?; Captured in North Africa 17
Daimler Mk II GBR ind VRN 37ZU35, RN F208330
Daimler Dingo Mk II GBR ind RN F329813; “Marauder”
Ferret Mk 1 cutaway GBR ind
Ferret Mk 2 GBR ind VRN 02BB84; UN colors
Ferret Mk 2 GBR ind VRN 03CC66; UN colors
Ferret Mk 5 GBR ind VRN 03EE06; Australian trials vehicle
Ferret Mk 2/6 GBR ind VRN 06EB33; with Vigilant ATGMs
Fox GBR ind VRN 00SP89; has flotation screen
Fox cutaway GBR ind
FT-17 prototype FRA ind SN 63168?
FV438 Swingfire GBR ind VRN 03DA07; Pre-production vehicle
Guy Mk I GBR ind WD No. T10359
Humber Hornet Malkara GBR ind VRN 06BK66
Humber Mk I armoured car GBR ind RN F26846
Humber Mk I scout car GBR ind RN F196345; “Jack in the Box”
Humber Pig GBR ind VRN 30BK08 18
Ikv-91 SWE ind RN 204 652 19
JgPz 38(t) Hetzer DEU ind Hull number 32111; capt. in Belgium 20
KV-1 M1942 SOV ind SN 11302?; Sample provided to UK
L1E3 amphibious tank GBR ind WD No. T2430, SN FME 985
Lanchester Mk II armoured car GBR ind Painted RN MT9755, chassis LAC 34
Leopard 1 series III prototype DEU ind SN J03, RN Y209859, VRN 02SP60 21
Leopard 1A1A2 DEU ind
Leopard C2 (1A5) DEU/CAN ind Chassis SN 18054, RN 78-85095 22
Leyland Terrier Armrd Car IRE ind Chassis SN TE 2/4673, RN ZC 774 23
Light Tank Mk V turret GBR ind
Light Tank Mk VIB GBR ind WD No. T4194, SN HMC 547
Little Willie GBR ind First completed tank
LVT4 USA/GBR ind “Sevenoaks”
Lynx USA/CAN ind 24
M3 Grant USA/GBR ind WD No. T24889
M3A1 Stuart USA/BRA ind SN 2862, Brazilian RN EB11209 25
M3A1 Scout Car USA/POL? ind RN 348 FAM
M4A1(75) Sherman USA/GBR ind “Michael”; original WD No. T25190 26
M4A2(75) Sherman III DD USA/GBR ind Only survivor with original screen 27
M4A4(75) Sherman V Crab USA/GBR ind
M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly USA/GBR ind RN 305416, WD No. T228796
M5A1 Stuart USA ind Painted in USMC colors
M8 Greyhound USA/GBR ind SN 6648, F278118
M9A1 Half-Track USA/GBR ind VRN 13ZA25, Painted RN F35384
M10 Achilles USA/GBR ind
M22 Locust USA/GBR ind WD No. T158979
M24 Chaffee USA/GBR ind WD No. T330553; “Trigger Happy”
M26 Pershing USA/GBR ind WD No. T345713 28
M29 Weasel USA/GBR ind
M41A1 Walker Bulldog USA/NZL ind RN NZ30544
M46 Patton USA/GBR ind RN 30163515; Supplied for eval
M60A1 (RISE) USA ind SN 8971, RN JJ0128
M103A2 USA ind USMC RN 233097
M113A2 USA/CAN ind
M.14/41 ITA ind Hull number 1251, RN Ro Eto 4867
Marmon-Herrington Mk IVF ZAF/GRC/CYP ind SN E?820, painted RN J53350
Marmon-Herrington Mk VI ZAF/GBR ind First prototype; SN U46293
Mk A Whippet GBR ind A259 “Caesar II;” Lt Sewell's VC tank29
Mk I Male GBR ind Painted as 705, C19 “Clan Leslie” 30
Mk II Female GBR ind 785, painted F53 “Flying Scotsman” 31
Mk IV Male GBR ind 2324; “HMS Excellent” 32
Mk V Male GBR ind 9199; H41; fought at Amiens 33
Mk V** Male GBR ind 10704; “Old Faithful”
Mk VIII Liberty GBR ind
Mk IX GBR ind “IC15”
Morris Mk I light reconn car GBR ind 34
NSU Springer DEU ind
Panhard EBR-75 FRA ind SN 2287?, RN 204-0303
Peerless armored car GBR ind SN L1360, RN H1524
Pz 61 CHE ind SN 77 640
PzBefWg Ausf B DEU ind Captured in North Africa 35
PzJg V Jagdpanther DEU ind Hull number 303101; built postwar 36
PzJg VI Jagdtiger DEU ind Hull no. 305004; capt. at Sennelager 37
PzKpfw II Ausf F DEU ind Hull number 28434; capt. in Tunisia 38
PzKpfw III Ausf L DEU ind Captured in North Africa 39
PzKpfw III Ausf N DEU ind Missing tracks; capt. in Tunisia 40
PzKpfw IV Ausf D/G DEU ind Served as a driver training tank 41
PzKpfw V Panther G DEU ind Built under direction of REME postwar42
PzKpfw V Panther II Schmalturm DEU ind Turret recovered from Larkhill range
PzKpfw VI(H) Tiger DEU ind Hull no. 250112, Tiger 131 43
PzKpfw VI King Tiger DEU ind V2, second prototype King Tiger 44
PzKpfw VI King Tiger DEU ind Hull no. 280093, turret no. 104 45
PzSpWg II Ausf L Luchs DEU ind Hull number 200164 46
Ram II evasive target tank CAN/NLD ind WD No. CT159418 47
Ram Kangaroo CAN ind Recovered from Salisbury Plain 48
Renault UE FRA ind Believed to be Narvik veteran
Rolls Royce Mk I armoured car GBR ind Chassis No. 193WO, RN H 3830
S-103 S-Tank SWE ind RN 2231
S-104C Centurion Mk 3 GBR/SWE ind VRN 05BA71, Swedish RN 80 342 49
Sabre GBR ind VRN 03FD70
Saladin GBR ind SN RGX 880 50
Saracen Mk 3 water dispenser GBR ind VRN 05FF81 51
Saracen ACP GBR ind VRN 82BA31
Scorpion pilot GBR ind VRN 00SP97
Sd.Kfz. 234/3 sPzSpWg DEU ind Captured at the end of the war
Sd.Kfz. 251/8 SPW Ausf C DEU ind Ambulance version
Somua S-35 739(f) FRA/DEU ind SN 67227?
SPz 11-2 Kurz DEU ind SN 857, RN Y135444
Striker GBR ind VRN 03SP42; prototype
Strv M/40L SWE ind RN 335
StuG III (40) DEU/FIN ind Hull no. 105235 52
StuPz VI Sturmtiger barrel DEU ind
SU-76M SOV ind Captured during the Korean War 1950
SU-100 SOV/EGY ind Captured during 1956 Suez Crisis
T14 heavy assault tank USA/GBR ind Second pilot; only surviving example
T17E1 Staghound USA/GBR ind RN F215478
T18E2 Boarhound USA/GBR ind RN F205188; only surviving example
T48 Patton USA/GBR ind RN 9A5213 53
T-26B M1933 SOV/FIN ind Captured by Finland in 1940/1941 54
T-34/85 SOV/CSK/CHN ind Captured during the Korean War
T-54M SOV/SYR ind SN 540..09; captured in '67 or '73? 55
T-55 SOV/POL?/IRQ ind SN 736KY4785
T-55A SOV/DDR ind SN 47WN20306; cutaway hull 56
T-55K SOV/POL/IRQ ind Captured 1991 Gulf War
T-62 SOV/IRQ ind SN M09VT5371; capt. 1991 Gulf War
T-72M SOV/POL/DDR ind SN A09JN568
TOG-II* GBR ind
TV1000 Rhino test rig GBR std RN UXM 312 57
Type 59 CHN std ex Royal Ordnance (GBR), has 105mm
Type 69-IIC CHN/IRQ ind SN B10861009 58
Type 95 Ha-Go JPN ind Captured in Malaya
Universal Carrier Mk II GBR ind WD No. 252718, VRN 77ZT52
Universal Carrier Praying Mantis GBR ind Only surviving prototype, of two built
Valentine Mk II GBR ind WD No. T16065; “Manchester;” runner
Valentine Mk IX GBR ind WD No. T123358
Valentine Bridgelayer GBR ind WD No. T16278
Vickers Armstrong Mk E Type B GBR ind One of two surviving 6-ton tanks 59
Vickers Carden-Loyd M1936 GBR ind Only surviving example
Vickers D3E1 GBR ind Only surviving example
Vickers Medium Mk II* GBR ind WD No. T199, RN ML8642 60
Vixen GBR std VRN 03SP85, FMTR3, prototype V3
Warrior MAOV GBR ind VRN 44KG45


Gate Guard, King George Rd (N50 41.754 W2 14.642)
Centurion Mk 8 w/ Conway St 2 GBR out “Spud”; Painted VRN 07SP24 61
Centurion moving target tank GBR out

Car Park / Storage Yard Gate near the Museum, Linsay Rd (N50 41.722 W2 14.526)
A22 Churchill Mk II GBR out Mod. to look like Mk I with hull gun 62

Regimental Headquarters, Royal Tank Regiment, Stanley Barracks, King George V Rd
(N50 41.678 W2 14.704)
Challenger 1 GBR out VRN 34KA17; “Coleraine”
Conqueror Mk II GBR out VRN 40BA95; first Conqueror Mk II

Armoured Trials and Development Unit (ATDU) Gate Guards, Napier Way
(N50 42.301 W2 14.788)
Ram Mk II GBR out Recovered from Pirbright range 63

Headquarters, Royal Armoured Corps / Headquarters, The Armour Centre, Capper Rd W
(N50 41.921 W2 14.292)
Chieftain Mk 5 GBR out VRN 04EB21; plinth

Armour & Reconnaissance Wing, AFV Driving & Maintenance (D&M) School, off Caper Rd W
(N50 41.783 W2 14.377)
Chieftain Mk 5 GBR out VRN 00FD85?

Armour & Reconnaissance Wing, AFV Driving & Maintenance (D&M) School, off Linsay Rd
(N50 41.759 W2 14.503)
Scimitar GBR out

Allenby Barracks, Amiens Rd (N50 42.101 W2 14.446)
Centurion? GBR out
Challenger 1? GBR out
A22F Churchill Mk VII AVRE GBR out? VRN 39ZR17

Bovington Barracks
Chieftain Mk 1 GBR out? VRN 02EB17
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR out? VRN 01EB45
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR out? VRN 01EB91; ex Pounds, Portsmouth
Chieftain Mk 3(S) GBR out? VRN 01FD08

Museum Storage Sheds & Yards 64
2S3 SOV std
A11 Infantry Tank Matilda I GBR wre Former range target
A13 Cruiser Mk III Covenanter turret GBR std pilot model / experimental turret
A15 Crusader turret GBR std
A22 Churchill Mk I/II turret GBR std
A22 Churchill Mk III/IV? turret GBR std
A22 Churchill Mk IV AVRE GBR std
A22D Churchill 3-in Gun Carrier GBR std Former range target 65
A22F Churchill Mk VII GBR std Early production vehicle
A22F Churchill Mk VII AVRE GBR std VRN 33ZR17
A22 Churchill ARK GBR std Formerly at Royal Engineers Museum
A22 Churchill dynometer GBR std
A24 Cruiser Mk VII Cavalier GBR wre Only surviving example? 66
A30 Challenger GBR std
A34 Comet GBR std VRN 21ZR21; runner
Centurion Mk 12 GBR std VRN 43BA17; poss. misidentification
Centurion Mk 13 GBR std VRN 43BA71
Centurion Mk 12H AVRE 105 GBR std VRN 44BA17; served with BAOR
Centurion MMWR target GBR std Based on 40-ton Centurion? 67
40-ton Centurion GBR std
Challenger 1 Mk 1 GBR std? VRN 05SP68
Challenger 1? with WSD turret GBR std Has ballast weights on the turret 68
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 01EB46
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 03EB83; runner
Chieftain Mk 5 GBR std VRN 01EB49; runner
Chieftain Mk 5 GBR std VRN 00FD69
Chieftain Mk 11 GBR std VRN 03EB90 69
Chieftain 800/900 GBR std VRN 56MS09 70
Chieftain Signature Integ. Dem. GBR std
Chieftain AVRE GBR std 71
Conqueror prototype GBR std Prototype P7; has commentator box 72
Conway GBR std VRN 07BA67;only FV4004 prot. built
Daimler Dingo Mk III GBR std RN F9658
EE-9 Cascavel BRA std RN PJT 334J 73
FV432 GBR std VRN 11EA74?; served with BAOR?
FV432 GBR std VRN 11EA74?; served with BAOR?
JagdChieftain concept test rig GBR std VRN 04SP29
KJgPz 4-5 Jagdpanzer Kanone DEU std Ex Brussels Tank Museum 74
Leopard C2 (1A5) DEU/CAN std? Runner?
Light Tank Mk IV GBR std Only surviving example
M4(105) Sherman USA std 75
M4A1(76) Sherman USA std?
M4A2E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA/GBR std WD No. T224875; “Calvados” 76
M4A2 Sherman BARV USA/GBR wre Recovered from Salisbury Plain 77
M4A4 Sherman hull USA/GBR std Ex range target?
M47 Patton USA/BEL std? Acquired from Belgian Army in 1973
M47 Patton USA/ITA std? Originally designated to be target
M59 USA/GBR std VRN 93BA38; used for trials
M60A3 USA ind ex East of England Tank Museum
M74 USA/GBR std Served with BAOR
M113 USA/GBR std VRN 72KB59; used for trials
M548 USA std VRN 95KF48; used for rides
M548 USA std VRN 95KF53; used for rides
Marmon-Herrington Mk IVF ZAF/GRC std SN E?820 78
MBT-80 with FV4211 turret GBR std VRN 99SP27, ATR 2 79
Saladin GBR std VRN 00CC??
Saladin GBR std VRN 01CC66
Saladin GBR std VRN 03CC34
Saracen GBR std VRN 01BB56?
Saxon GBR std
SP80 GBR std? VRN 98SP27
T-34/85 SOV std?
Tracked Rapier GBR std VRN 49KB47
TV1500 automotive test vehicle GBR std
YP-408 NED std
YW-701 CHN std

Museum Workshops (Old Armour School) 80
A25 Harry Hopkins GBR ind WD No. T119224
Chieftain ARRV GBR std Workshop vehicle
Chieftain Mk 2 AVRE GBR std VRN 01EB21
Chieftain Mk 5 AVLB GBR std VRN 01FD48
Cougar AVGP GBR ind
Khalid GBR std VRN 05SP50; former trials vehicle

AFV Driving & Maintenance (D&M) School
Conqueror Mk I GBR std? VRN 40BA87; training aid?

Bovington Heath Training Area 81
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR wre VRN 03EB79
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 04EB83
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 05EB22; training aid
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 05EB44
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR wre VRN 05EB60; used for camo practice
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR wre VRN 06FA07; training aid
Chieftain Mk 3 GBR std VRN 06FA39
Chieftain Mk 3 GBR std VRN 06FA54

Royal Engineer Wing, AFV D&M School 82
Chieftain Mk 5 AVLB GBR std VRN 01FD72
Chieftain Mk 5 AVLB GBR std VRN 01FD73
Chieftain Mk 5 AVLB GBR std VRN 01FD79
Chieftain Mk 6 AVLB GBR std VRN 00EB29

A Flickr set from Bovington, 200+ shots added last month:
www.flickr.com/photos/...873826906/

Massimo

don't you think there is something bizarre about the Renault FT ?



P-O

- the_shadock

don't you think there is something bizarre about the Renault FT ?



P-O

Lucky #13. It only makes left turns!

- the_shadock

don't you think there is something bizarre about the Renault FT ?

Do you think parts of the FT-17 are sitting somewhere near a Kingtiger's transmission and engine?

Massimo

- Massimo_Foti

Do you think parts of the FT-17 are sitting somewhere near a Kingtiger's transmission and engine?

Massimo

well, the French army required to remove the manufacturer's plate in 1918 (as said in a previous post), but the Bovington museum removed the entire side where the plate was screwed.

Maybe too much precaution?

Pierre-Olivier

I got the information today, that a British guy has bought and brought back from the USA an M4E9 Sherman (composite hull with double extended end connectors, and this is a rare small hatches type).

This is the only picture I was able to find on the internet, but the source is reliable, even if the information are very thin.



Is there anybody who could give me more information about this?

thanks

Pierre-Olivier

- the_shadock

I got the information today, that a British guy has bought and brought back from the USA an M4E9 Sherman (composite hull with double extended end connectors, and this is a rare small hatches type).

This is the only picture I was able to find on the internet, but the source is reliable, even if the information are very thin.



Is there anybody who could give me more information about this?

thanks

Pierre-Olivier

well, indeed I already have it in my list of known Sherman Serial Numbers :

44255 M4(75) Chrysler 30100489 Small hatch composite hull ex-California, private collection, UK

sorry..

Pierre-Olivier

- the_shadock

Is there anybody who could give me more information about this?
ierre-Olivier

Pierre-Olivier,

See hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/sho...to-Started for some more information

Regards,
Hanno