±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 443
Total: 443
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Your Account
04: Home
05: Home
06: Member Screenshots
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Downloads
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Home
28: Home
29: Home
30: Home
31: Downloads
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Home
36: Home
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Downloads
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Downloads
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Downloads
58: Home
59: Home
60: Home
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Your Account
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Home
71: Home
72: News Archive
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Downloads
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Photo Gallery
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: News Archive
84: Home
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Statistics
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Member Screenshots
110: Your Account
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Your Account
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Home
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Downloads
122: Photo Gallery
123: Downloads
124: Community Forums
125: Home
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Your Account
131: Downloads
132: Your Account
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Downloads
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Tell a Friend
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Home
152: Home
153: Home
154: Member Screenshots
155: Home
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Home
168: Home
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Home
173: Home
174: Home
175: Downloads
176: Community Forums
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Home
184: Downloads
185: Your Account
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Downloads
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Member Screenshots
193: Community Forums
194: Your Account
195: Treasury
196: Home
197: Downloads
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: News Archive
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Downloads
208: Downloads
209: Downloads
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Downloads
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Home
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Your Account
223: Home
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Downloads
230: Home
231: Home
232: Home
233: Home
234: Your Account
235: Statistics
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Downloads
241: Home
242: Home
243: Home
244: Photo Gallery
245: Home
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Downloads
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Downloads
258: Home
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: News Archive
262: Downloads
263: Downloads
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Home
269: Downloads
270: Home
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Your Account
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: News
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Your Account
289: Home
290: Home
291: News
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Downloads
299: Home
300: Home
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Home
304: Home
305: Community Forums
306: Downloads
307: Home
308: Home
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Downloads
312: Photo Gallery
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Statistics
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Downloads
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Downloads
326: Home
327: Community Forums
328: Home
329: Home
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Downloads
333: Home
334: Home
335: Home
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Home
344: Home
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Home
356: Home
357: Home
358: Community Forums
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Downloads
362: Community Forums
363: Home
364: Community Forums
365: Home
366: Home
367: Community Forums
368: Home
369: Photo Gallery
370: Photo Gallery
371: Home
372: Community Forums
373: Home
374: Home
375: Home
376: Home
377: Home
378: Home
379: Home
380: Home
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Home
387: Community Forums
388: News
389: Home
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Home
396: Member Screenshots
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Home
400: Home
401: Photo Gallery
402: Photo Gallery
403: Home
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Home
407: Photo Gallery
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Home
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Home
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Home
417: Home
418: Photo Gallery
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Home
422: Photo Gallery
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Community Forums
426: Home
427: Community Forums
428: Your Account
429: Downloads
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Downloads
434: Home
435: Home
436: Home
437: Home
438: Home
439: Home
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Focus on the M47
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

- Dontos


As for the M41's available there are 2 in RMP that I may be able to access.

The duster question I thought was answered with the M42 data plate I found. I'll dig thru my various harddrives to find those photos. Unfortunately the M42 has been shipped to Ft Benning back in Feb, so I can't check it.

I'll see about getting some good photos on the M41's .....after I trace that box in the drivers hole of the T34......ha ha ha

Regards
Don


IIRC, the vehicle you went into had the same number stamped in both places on the rear hull mod plate, or something similarly inconclusive. The question, to remind everyone, is "Of the two serials stamped on the rear hull modification plate of M41s and M42s, which one (right or left) is the Ordnance serial number?"

Thx,
KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

x .


Last edited by Kurt_Laughlin on Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:29 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Oh yeah, thats right.

Hopefully I can find some better answers in my next RMP visit.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

I've now uploaded my M47 entries. I saw four in 1983, the first two I considered part of the museum collection. The other two I found in a compound on the edge of the post - I didn't know its name or purpose then, but now I suspect it may actually have been the 'legendary' Richardson Motor Pool.

Unique ID 1320: Cutaway M47

Unique ID 1321: Belgian M47

Unique ID 1322: M47 '3'

Unique ID 1323: M47 '4'

Thes entries are straight from my original manuscript. It's late now so I'll update them with the new locations, notes from this thread, and Don's latest photographs, tomorrow.


- Tichenor
- TrevorLarkum

I saw and photographed a number of M47's at Fort Knox when I visited in 1983, including this one. Oddly, though, it had no registration painted on it then, which I'm at a loss to understand.

If the R/N has been applied after 1983, it shouldn't look like that, we have
a M47 here with the markings on it from the fifties and they look far better than those.
Tichenor


Exactly my thoughts - take a look at the photo's and see what you think. I wonder if the registration is actually there, but hidden under a layer of dirt, or a temporary coat of paint.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:03 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Trevor

I think the RN is there but obscured by dust.

As for #3 & #4, those don't appear to be in RMP. I'm told it is identical to how it was in the late 60's & 70's.

Those may have been range targets that are not part of the museums collection but gone to the range.

My reasoning is one of the current M47's in the collection was part of a vehicle siezure back a few years ago. It is a former Italian Army vehicle. That was not here in 1983.

So during your visit, we may have only had 3 M47's in the collection.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:43 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Trevor,

In '83 Richardson MP was still very busy training US Tankers on M60A3's. Those pictures sort of look like they were taken at Heard Motor Pool, They had a lot of strange stuff there in the 80's, to include some cast off M60A2's for a while. Doug is much more familiar with the place though, maybe he can shed some light on it.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:23 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

- Joe_D
Trevor,

In '83 Richardson MP was still very busy training US Tankers on M60A3's. Those pictures sort of look like they were taken at Heard Motor Pool, They had a lot of strange stuff there in the 80's, to include some cast off M60A2's for a while. Doug is much more familiar with the place though, maybe he can shed some light on it.


The series that I thought looked most like they might have been taken at Heard MP was this one:

preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1323

...though the angle is narrow and I can't be sure. Looks like back fence area of Heard.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Here are shots of all 4 current M47's 'on post, that I am aware of....

SN 2947 with the Belgian RN painted on the front slope:




The 'Cut-Away' tank. RN 30186153(?):




The Stithton Circle Tank (SN 2796):




This is the 'Siezure' tank (SN 3400) Has an Italian Rebuild plate on the rear:



Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

I can see this is going to take some untangling - I'll scan and post some more pictures as soon as I can.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

In the above photo of the 'Belgian' M47, notice the aux fuel tank mounts. That should help ID it as the other M47's don't have such a feature.

I have located a number of shots of the 'cutaway' M47, before it was cut up. It seems it was on display for a number of years around what looks like Serio Hall.

The more I think about #3 & #4, the more I'm convinced that they were Range bound hard targets. Just a thought.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Don

Just checked the two wrecks here in Brasschaat and they are both lefthand drives.

Tichenor
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Here's a better picture of the location containing the cutaway M47 - is this RMP?



It was open and straightforward to look around in 1983.

This place was closed so all photo's were taken through the fence, including the M47s '3' and '4' above - is this Heard MP?



This is maybe the same place?:



OT, here's a small selection from lots of other photo's I took around the base, these may or may not be the same locations as above but are not for the purpose of working out where preserved vehicles were, these are pictures of in-service vehicles just for nostalgia:











And finally, a 'drive by shoot':


_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:24 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

Trevor,
If pictures 2 and 3 were same place, it wasn't Heard Motor Park. Number 3 definitely not, and number 2...very unlikely.

Approximately when was the whole sequence of pics taken? Or does that vary?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:51 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

The M1 is in Potts Motor Pool.

I was there in 85, it was the only place M-1's were 'housed' at that time.

Funny thing is, I may have done my Basic Armor Training on those tanks. I'll have to look at my old OSUT photos to see if there is any ID marking visible.

I think that cutaway M47 might be at Boatwright, since they would have done the work.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:13 am
Post subject: Re: Focus on the M47

- Dontos
The M1 is in Potts Motor Pool.

I was there in 85, it was the only place M-1's were 'housed' at that time.

Funny thing is, I may have done my Basic Armor Training on those tanks. I'll have to look at my old OSUT photos to see if there is any ID marking visible.

Don


Hey, I did MY basic armor training in Potts Motor Park! Of course, you already knew this, and mine was on M48's. Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 8
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum