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Another PzIII or IV?
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: Another PzIII or IV?
Skar?ysko-Kamienna Muzeum Or?a Bia?ego -zapraszamy www.panoramio.com/photo/23977369 And a Stug - edit, I see this one's already on the PzIV-based vehicles list. Another one of the PzIV here www.dws.org.pl/viewtop...p;t=118869 And here fotopolska.eu/14840,foto.html

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV? (& a Stug)
Muzeum Bialego Orla Skarzysko-Kamienna Poland Hull of Pz. Kpfw. IV

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
Memo to self, update .pdf collection!

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
- Pzkpfw-e Memo to self, update .pdf collection! this hull appears on the Panzer parts PDF file, not on the Panzer IV PDF list. P-O _________________ soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
Speaking of Panzer parts, I've not seen this PzII hull before. fotovalkirumodelism.co...p?page=288 "The memorial complex''Fame''Frontier Village. Lenine Istra district of Moscow region" (And the rest of that website's worth having a look at!) WTF's this?

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?

I've covered the Skarzysko-Karmienna collection here - it does have some interesting stuff:

Muzeum Orla Bialego

The Panzer II looks like the one at Snegiri:

Snegiri

The WTF looks to me like a so-called Odessa tank - there's a bit more information about them here, in the paragraph entitled 'External Display Area':

Kubinka: Soviet Vehicles

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
- TrevorLarkum The Panzer II looks like the one at Snegiri: Snegiri I'd go with that. Istra & Snegiri aren't far apart, so whether it's been moved at some time?

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
That is the PzII from Lenino/Snegiri, but the WTF is not the one at Kubinka. Ive seen them pretty recent.

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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
The WTF is at Odessa fotovalkirumodelism.co...p?page=212 A Memorial of the 411 Battery. www.otdihinfo.ru/photo/584.html So an "Odessa Tank" it is. Since I can't copy & paste that into Google Translate can one of our Russian friends translate it? periskop.livejournal.c...09749.html Scrolling down to the forum, shows a period picture of the thing.

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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
Pure transcription is "Na Ispug" and that can be translated as "For Frightening" (to make them frightened, scared)... These were built on commercial caterpillar tractors chassis in Odessa region during the siege of town so that is the reason of calling them "Odessa tanks". These vehicles had either fixedsuperstructure or even small turret with MG ball mounts.

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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
Thanks Palic, I may have "learnt" Russian at school, but that was over 30 years ago!

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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Another PzIII or IV?
Muzeum Bialego Orla Skarzysko-Kamienna Poland I have been to this interesting Museum and after getting the right directions from a local gas station, found it and toured the great displays. As to the Hull of Pz. Kpfw. IV there was talk that they are looking at restoring this one, not sure by how much. It now has a new rear end with idler mounts all painted primer. Anthony

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