±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 1
Visitors: 322
Total: 323
Who Is Where:
 Members:
01: JWB2 > Community Forums
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Member Screenshots
04: Home
05: Home
06: Downloads
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Home
20: Home
21: Home
22: Home
23: Downloads
24: Downloads
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Home
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Member Screenshots
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Home
51: Home
52: News
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Downloads
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Home
61: Home
62: Home
63: Home
64: Your Account
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Downloads
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Home
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Your Account
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Home
99: Home
100: Home
101: Home
102: Home
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Downloads
108: Home
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Member Screenshots
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Your Account
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Home
125: Home
126: Downloads
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Home
134: Member Screenshots
135: Downloads
136: Home
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Downloads
142: Member Screenshots
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Member Screenshots
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Home
158: Home
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Home
171: Home
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Search
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Statistics
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Home
200: Home
201: Home
202: Home
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Home
210: Home
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Home
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Home
229: Home
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Home
234: Home
235: Home
236: Home
237: Home
238: Home
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Home
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Home
253: Home
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Member Screenshots
260: Community Forums
261: Photo Gallery
262: Home
263: Community Forums
264: Downloads
265: Home
266: Photo Gallery
267: Home
268: Home
269: Community Forums
270: News
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Member Screenshots
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Home
281: Home
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Home
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Home
289: Statistics
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Home
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Downloads
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Home
303: Home
304: Home
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Downloads
318: News
319: Home
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Preserved Tanks in Italy
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- TrevorLarkum
Thanks for the heads up, I hadn't spotted that.

I know you're an expert on the Priest so I'm very happy for you to correct my identifications:

Preserved M7 Priests

I guess it's not as simple as M7 = 1 ring, M7B1 = 2 rings, M7B2 = rings? If so, I have a few others misidentified too.


The M7B2 has....... 3 rings Wink




Note that the howitzer is higher than on M7 and M7B1s.
During the Korean War, the limited elevation of the howitzer became noticeably problematic and it was increased to 65° to increase the effective range of the howitzer. The machine gun mount also had to be raised to give a 360° firing arc (Wikipedia).

M7 @ Ouistreham :


P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

Trevor

- TrevorLarkum

I guess it's not as simple as M7 = 1 ring, M7B1 = 2 rings, M7B2 = rings? If so, I have a few others misidentified too.


I did wish it was that simple Sad , M7 has one or two rings ( it all depends when build), M7B1 has two rings (never seen one with only one ring) and as P-O already said the M7B2 has three rings.

To be sure to id a M7 or M7B1 I always try to look at the rear ( a B1 has a longer hull), All the rest can be deceiving, I've seen M7's with the light low and B1's with a three piece transmission.

Tichenor
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:41 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

The discussion of preserved SP70s prompted me to add the Cecchignola collection, with photo's and help from Massimo. It has 22 tanks and many other vehicles making it the largest collection in Italy, and these including the sole surviving P40:


Museo Storico della Motorizzazione Militare, Cecchignola, Roma




Carro Armato P40

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:33 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- TrevorLarkum
The discussion of preserved SP70s prompted me to add the Cecchignola collection, with photo's and help from Massimo. It has 22 tanks and many other vehicles making it the largest collection in Italy, and these including the sole surviving P40:


Museo Storico della Motorizzazione Militare, Cecchignola, Roma



Trevor,

I can't see the Canadian Armoured Snowmobile listed? Is it still there?
Another rare beast, the only other confirmed survivor is in the Kubinka Museum.

Regards,
Hanno

P:S : my archived web page on the subject vehicle can be found here: web.archive.org/web/20...obile.html
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- TrevorLarkum
The discussion of preserved SP70s prompted me to add the Cecchignola collection, with photo's and help from Massimo. It has 22 tanks and many other vehicles making it the largest collection in Italy, and these including the sole surviving P40


There is another P40 in Lecce. This tank was restored in 1988, the original engine was removed and a modern Iveco diesel engine was installed instead. It was in running order for quite a few years after that, and could be still in running condition today (info from Nicola Pignato)

The tank at Cecchignola instead is missing the engine. Back in 1944/45, many P40s were completed without engines and used by the germans as static pillboxes.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- Hanno_Spoelstra
[I can't see the Canadian Armoured Snowmobile listed? Is it still there?
Another rare beast, the only other confirmed survivor is in the Kubinka Museum.


I visited the Museum in 2009 for a few hours, but large parts of it weren't accessible, since a few buildings were under restoration. I haven't seen the Snowmobile, but this doesn't means it's gone.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- Hanno_Spoelstra

Trevor,

I can't see the Canadian Armoured Snowmobile listed? Is it still there?
Another rare beast, the only other confirmed survivor is in the Kubinka Museum.

Regards,
Hanno

I don't know, Hanno, Massimo would be better able to answer that - I only record fully tracked AFVs and not other vehicles.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- Massimo_Foti
There is another P40 in Lecce.

Massimo


You're right, of course, I haven't written up Lecce yet. Another place on my to-do list.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- TrevorLarkum
I don't know, Hanno, Massimo would be better able to answer that - I only record fully tracked AFVs and not other vehicles.


Trevor,

Alright. It is up to you, but in my view an armoured, two-man recce vehicle falls under the armoured fighting vehicle class, in line with the British "A" category.

Hanno


Last edited by Hanno_Spoelstra on Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:06 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- Massimo_Foti
I visited the Museum in 2009 for a few hours, but large parts of it weren't accessible, since a few buildings were under restoration. I haven't seen the Snowmobile, but this doesn't means it's gone.


Massimo,

Would be great to have confirmed sometime where it is these days.

Thanks,
Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

I plan to go back one of these days, once the work on the buildings will be done. I added it to my personal "missing list", together with the Sherman Dozer and SP-70

Massimo


Last edited by Massimo_Foti on Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:16 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

Since we are talking about Cecchignola, there are two vehicles I was unable to identify, they sit in an area together with a few prototypes covered by a few years of dust.





I can post a few extra shots if the need arise.
Just a few meters away there is a FIAT - MAN - Saviem, plus some old italian armoured cars prototypes: AVH, AVM and AVL.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- TrevorLarkum
- Massimo_Foti
There is another P40 in Lecce.

Massimo


You're right, of course, I haven't written up Lecce yet. Another place on my to-do list.



To avoid making the same mistake again I have researched and started an entry for Lecce (and the P40) - I'll return to it at a later date to add the other vehicles:

Location ID 5700: Scuola Truppe Corazzate, Lecce

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

Hi Trevor! Hi Folks!

Thanks for all the great photos.
The one under the Museo Memoriale della Liberta, Bologne (markings ?A 756 Tank Battalion, C 12) that is listed as a M4 (105) Sherman is not a 105 assault gun. It is a M4A2 or M4A3 (Wet) 75mm gun vehicle.

Keep up the great work Sirs!
Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Italy

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Trevor! Hi Folks!

Thanks for all the great photos.
The one under the Museo Memoriale della Liberta, Bologne (markings ?A 756 Tank Battalion, C 12) that is listed as a M4 (105) Sherman is not a 105 assault gun. It is a M4A2 or M4A3 (Wet) 75mm gun vehicle.


Roy, the text says it's a 105mm hull and turret fitted with a 75mm gun - can you see something that contradicts this?

Unique ID 1065: Bologna Sherman

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 6
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum