±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 817
Total: 817
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Home
08: Home
09: Home
10: Home
11: Home
12: Home
13: Home
14: Home
15: Home
16: Home
17: Home
18: Home
19: Home
20: Home
21: Home
22: Home
23: Home
24: Home
25: Home
26: Photo Gallery
27: Statistics
28: Downloads
29: Photo Gallery
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Home
34: Photo Gallery
35: Home
36: Home
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Downloads
41: Home
42: Home
43: Home
44: Home
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Downloads
48: Member Screenshots
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Home
55: Home
56: Home
57: Downloads
58: Photo Gallery
59: Home
60: Downloads
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Photo Gallery
64: Downloads
65: Community Forums
66: Your Account
67: Photo Gallery
68: News
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Home
72: Downloads
73: Home
74: Home
75: Downloads
76: Photo Gallery
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: Community Forums
81: Member Screenshots
82: Photo Gallery
83: Photo Gallery
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Photo Gallery
88: Home
89: Photo Gallery
90: Photo Gallery
91: News Archive
92: Home
93: Home
94: Home
95: Photo Gallery
96: Photo Gallery
97: Downloads
98: Photo Gallery
99: Home
100: Home
101: Home
102: Downloads
103: Photo Gallery
104: Your Account
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Home
109: Photo Gallery
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Home
119: Home
120: Home
121: Home
122: Home
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Photo Gallery
132: Home
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Home
146: Home
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Member Screenshots
150: Downloads
151: Home
152: Home
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Statistics
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Home
160: Home
161: Home
162: Home
163: Home
164: Home
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Home
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Home
174: Downloads
175: Photo Gallery
176: Home
177: Downloads
178: Home
179: Home
180: Home
181: Home
182: News Archive
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Home
187: Home
188: Downloads
189: Home
190: Photo Gallery
191: Home
192: Photo Gallery
193: Home
194: Photo Gallery
195: Statistics
196: Home
197: Home
198: Home
199: Home
200: Home
201: Home
202: Home
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Your Account
215: Home
216: Home
217: Downloads
218: Home
219: Home
220: Home
221: Home
222: Home
223: Member Screenshots
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: Home
227: Photo Gallery
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Home
233: Home
234: Home
235: Home
236: Home
237: Home
238: Home
239: Home
240: Home
241: Home
242: Home
243: Home
244: Home
245: Home
246: Statistics
247: Photo Gallery
248: Home
249: Home
250: Home
251: Photo Gallery
252: Home
253: Photo Gallery
254: Home
255: Home
256: News
257: Photo Gallery
258: Home
259: Photo Gallery
260: Photo Gallery
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Statistics
264: Home
265: Home
266: Home
267: Home
268: Home
269: Home
270: Home
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Member Screenshots
277: Home
278: Photo Gallery
279: Home
280: Home
281: Home
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Home
285: Home
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Home
290: Home
291: Home
292: Home
293: Home
294: Home
295: Home
296: Downloads
297: Home
298: Home
299: Home
300: Photo Gallery
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Photo Gallery
304: Member Screenshots
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Home
311: Home
312: Home
313: Home
314: Home
315: Home
316: Home
317: Home
318: Home
319: Photo Gallery
320: Photo Gallery
321: Photo Gallery
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Member Screenshots
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: Downloads
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Home
338: Downloads
339: News Archive
340: Member Screenshots
341: Home
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: Home
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Photo Gallery
352: Home
353: Downloads
354: Home
355: Home
356: Home
357: Home
358: Home
359: Home
360: Home
361: Home
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: Community Forums
365: Downloads
366: Home
367: Home
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Home
371: Home
372: Community Forums
373: Home
374: Home
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: News Archive
378: Photo Gallery
379: Home
380: Home
381: Home
382: News Archive
383: Home
384: Downloads
385: Home
386: Home
387: Home
388: Home
389: Home
390: Home
391: Statistics
392: Photo Gallery
393: Photo Gallery
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Home
397: Home
398: Home
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: News Archive
403: Community Forums
404: Photo Gallery
405: Your Account
406: Photo Gallery
407: Photo Gallery
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Downloads
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Home
415: Photo Gallery
416: Statistics
417: Statistics
418: Community Forums
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Photo Gallery
424: News Archive
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Photo Gallery
429: Community Forums
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Home
440: Home
441: Home
442: Community Forums
443: Home
444: Downloads
445: Photo Gallery
446: Home
447: Photo Gallery
448: Home
449: Home
450: Community Forums
451: Home
452: Home
453: Photo Gallery
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Home
457: Photo Gallery
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Home
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Photo Gallery
464: Home
465: Home
466: Home
467: Home
468: Home
469: Home
470: Home
471: Home
472: Home
473: Home
474: Home
475: Home
476: Home
477: Home
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: Home
484: Home
485: Photo Gallery
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Home
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Photo Gallery
495: Photo Gallery
496: Photo Gallery
497: Home
498: Member Screenshots
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Home
503: Home
504: Home
505: Home
506: Home
507: Member Screenshots
508: Home
509: Community Forums
510: Photo Gallery
511: Photo Gallery
512: Home
513: Home
514: Home
515: Downloads
516: Home
517: Home
518: Home
519: Home
520: Home
521: Home
522: Photo Gallery
523: Home
524: Photo Gallery
525: Photo Gallery
526: Home
527: Home
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Home
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Member Screenshots
535: Photo Gallery
536: Member Screenshots
537: Photo Gallery
538: Photo Gallery
539: Photo Gallery
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Photo Gallery
544: Member Screenshots
545: Downloads
546: Photo Gallery
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Photo Gallery
551: Home
552: Community Forums
553: Home
554: Photo Gallery
555: Home
556: News Archive
557: Photo Gallery
558: Home
559: Home
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Home
564: Home
565: Home
566: Home
567: Home
568: Home
569: Home
570: Photo Gallery
571: Photo Gallery
572: Home
573: Home
574: Home
575: Home
576: Photo Gallery
577: Photo Gallery
578: Photo Gallery
579: Photo Gallery
580: Home
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Home
584: Home
585: News Archive
586: Home
587: Home
588: Community Forums
589: Home
590: Home
591: Home
592: Home
593: Home
594: Home
595: Photo Gallery
596: Home
597: Home
598: Home
599: Photo Gallery
600: Home
601: Home
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Home
605: Home
606: Home
607: Home
608: Home
609: Home
610: Home
611: Home
612: Home
613: Home
614: Home
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Photo Gallery
620: Home
621: Photo Gallery
622: Home
623: Home
624: Home
625: Community Forums
626: Home
627: Home
628: Home
629: Photo Gallery
630: Photo Gallery
631: Photo Gallery
632: Home
633: Home
634: Home
635: Home
636: Photo Gallery
637: Community Forums
638: Home
639: Home
640: Home
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Photo Gallery
644: Home
645: Home
646: Home
647: Home
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Photo Gallery
651: Community Forums
652: News Archive
653: Home
654: Community Forums
655: Photo Gallery
656: Home
657: Home
658: Home
659: Downloads
660: Home
661: Community Forums
662: Home
663: Home
664: Home
665: Home
666: Photo Gallery
667: Home
668: Home
669: Home
670: Community Forums
671: Home
672: Photo Gallery
673: Photo Gallery
674: Community Forums
675: Downloads
676: Photo Gallery
677: Home
678: Home
679: Home
680: News
681: News
682: Home
683: Photo Gallery
684: Community Forums
685: Home
686: Photo Gallery
687: News
688: Home
689: Home
690: Home
691: Home
692: Home
693: Home
694: Home
695: Home
696: Home
697: Photo Gallery
698: Photo Gallery
699: Photo Gallery
700: News
701: Community Forums
702: Community Forums
703: Downloads
704: Downloads
705: Community Forums
706: Home
707: Photo Gallery
708: Photo Gallery
709: Home
710: Member Screenshots
711: Downloads
712: Community Forums
713: Downloads
714: Community Forums
715: Home
716: Home
717: Home
718: Home
719: Photo Gallery
720: Photo Gallery
721: Photo Gallery
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Home
726: Photo Gallery
727: Community Forums
728: Home
729: Photo Gallery
730: Home
731: Photo Gallery
732: Photo Gallery
733: Photo Gallery
734: Home
735: Photo Gallery
736: Home
737: Photo Gallery
738: Home
739: Downloads
740: Home
741: Home
742: Photo Gallery
743: Member Screenshots
744: Photo Gallery
745: Your Account
746: Community Forums
747: Home
748: Home
749: Home
750: Community Forums
751: Photo Gallery
752: Photo Gallery
753: Home
754: Home
755: Photo Gallery
756: Downloads
757: Home
758: Community Forums
759: Member Screenshots
760: Photo Gallery
761: Downloads
762: Community Forums
763: Home
764: Your Account
765: Downloads
766: Home
767: Photo Gallery
768: Home
769: Photo Gallery
770: Community Forums
771: Home
772: Home
773: Home
774: Home
775: Home
776: Community Forums
777: Home
778: Photo Gallery
779: Home
780: Photo Gallery
781: Home
782: Home
783: Home
784: Home
785: Community Forums
786: Home
787: News Archive
788: Home
789: Community Forums
790: Home
791: Community Forums
792: Home
793: Downloads
794: Home
795: Home
796: Downloads
797: Community Forums
798: Home
799: Home
800: Member Screenshots
801: Photo Gallery
802: Home
803: Photo Gallery
804: Home
805: Home
806: Photo Gallery
807: Community Forums
808: Home
809: Community Forums
810: Home
811: Home
812: Home
813: Home
814: Photo Gallery
815: Home
816: Home
817: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:35 am
Post subject: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

For all you detail driven individuals, here is a test. I'm going thru some old personal photos and thought this would really interest someone, besides myself.... Mr. Green

Can you spot a problem with something in this photo? Twisted Evil

(Hint: Look closely..!!)



BIG BONUS points go to anyone who might know why it is so,.....

Note: I was the gunner on this tank for a short period of time.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:54 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Well I only see 3 crew helmets

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:34 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

3 helmets = autoloader?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:11 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Good guess. Not the answer though.

Actually the CVC shortaged was due to my LT (the TC) forgot his,.....

Not that unusual,....but on the right path.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:35 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Hi Folks!

This is out in left field. There are only three helments because the tank doesn't need a loader. There is no breach inside the turret.
The items lined up on ground don't make a lot sense. Canteens without the carrier? What are those large items at both edges of the layout?

Dontos you got me.........
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

A WAG for sure, but not the answer. (Gotta look closer & a little higher....?!)

The tank is a normal, fully operational M1A1. It has a full set BII.

The PCI required only Chalk Blocks(4), lateral loaders(4), CVC with 'bail out' cord(4 each), Vehicle issued first aid kits(2), muzzle plug(1), tank tarp(1), and individual web belt with canteen & carrier(Initial CAT Field Gear). The Company was preparing for railload to Graffenwohr.

In Aug 1988, It was the first official 'deployment' for the newly formed 3rd AD 'CAT 89' Competition Team.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Buq-Buq
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 87

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Well, the bumper number appears to be "CAT-51" which [presumably] would not be normal . . .




Mark
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

"DING DING DING", you are correct !!!

I'm sure that would tend to really confuse a casual observer in West Germany in 1988....

In Aug (88), when the team was formed, the Company was made up of FIVE(5) Tank Platoons with 20 tanks & full 4 man crews.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Five platoons with four tanks each? Normal platoon back then was 5 tanks wasn't it?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:35 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

HI Dontos! Hi Folks!

- Dontos
"DING DING DING", you are correct !!!

I'm sure that would tend to really confuse a casual observer in West Germany in 1988....

In Aug (88), when the team was formed, the Company was made up of FIVE(5) Tank Platoons with 20 tanks & full 4 man crews.

Regards
Don


Crying or Very sad I noticed that, but didn't think it was odd for a vehicle going to a CAT meet.

Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:39 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Hi Folks!

- bsmart

Five platoons with four tanks each? Normal platoon back then was 5 tanks wasn't it?


No....? I don't think so. Dontos?
When the Army started fielding the M1 105mm tanks, the Division 86 reorg changed tanks platoons from five tanks to four and changed the tank company from three tank platoons to four and moved all non-tankers out of the tank companies into Battalion level units. That would leave the company leadership with just one MOS to train.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:00 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

Roy

You are correct. Division 86 cut the overal number of tanks in a platoon to 4.

I always believed it was done more to save money on M1 purchase, lowering the number of vehicles needed to fill a Division and enabling all units to eventually field the newer Abrams.

In the summer of 1982, I was an ROTC cadet assigned to B Co 2/67 Armor, 2nd AD (Tiger Bde) Ft Hood. The Bn was the first M1 Battalion in the Army. The men & Equipment had previously been 2/5 CAV 1st Cav Div when they initially drew the M-1's but were 'swapped' to 2AD.

For the 3 weeks I was there, all the tank platoons had 5 M-1's. 2AD was the first complete Division which fielded the Abrams, and I believe the only Abrams equipt unit to actually have ever had 5 vehicle tank platoons.

As for the 5 platoon deal from the above photo....

When the 3rd AD CAT Team was formed, 'candidates' were moved to C Co. Initially 5 Platoons worth of personnel were assigned to the Company. Crews were drawn up and began to train, locally. Meanwhile each individual was 'screened' and then evaluated. The Company went to Graf & shot a qualification Tank Table VIII. Following return to homestation, the first 'cuts' were made. The Company was reduced to 3 Tank Platoons (firing platoons) & HQ Plt. Basically a normal MTOE. Except ALL personnel in the COmpany were 19K. This gave the Company the ability to have extra personnel to make 'spot' replacements.

In the first cut, almost my entire platoon was eliminated. I was fortunate. I was assigned as the gunner of CAT 21. During the course of the year train up for the competition, I went through 3 loaders. It seems I was too fast firing, and finally found a loader who didn't mind firing the main gun when he armed it.(!!??)

Anyway,.... it was quite an adventure to participate. If you were a tanker during the Cold War,.....'CAT' was THE Suuperbowl of 'Tanking'.

I was lucky to have been in the right place at the right time.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:02 am
Post subject: Re: Quiz Time (The Mystery is in the detail)

- bsmart
Five platoons with four tanks each? Normal platoon back then was 5 tanks wasn't it?


Whew! For a minute there, I though I was suffering from a memory lapse...not that it's ever happened before..... Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum