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Massimo_Foti

If a Hetzer is still carrying all its Swiss modifications, then it is a G-13, if it has been back dated to its original configuration, it is once again a Hetzer.

Maybe in this case it becomes an ST-1? Laughing

If a Sherman is modified or rebuilt after the war

While I see your point, G-13s were build after the war, not modified or rebuilt, and they were never called "Hetzer".
You may consider this mostly a matter of semantic and think it's irrelevant, and I not necessarily disagree with you, but it's a somewhat different case than a rebuild Sherman.

Massimo

PS I guess now we could start debating how many G-13's parts came from existing WW II stocks, or were build from scratch Shocked

binder001 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 363

OK, I'm a Sherman nut and don't follow the panzers very closely. What are the basic differences between a Hetzer and a G13? Were the G13s all WW2 production or are they post war?

Gary B.

vmmv1

I am fascinated by the concept that there is a difference between a G 13 and a Hetzer. People act like they are two different things? If a Sherman is modified or rebuilt after the war and is given another name, then restored back to original configuration, no one calls it anything but a Sherman??? If a Hetzer is still carrying all its Swiss modifications, then it is a G-13, if it has been back dated to its original configuration, it is once again a Hetzer.

Michel_Krauss

Hi P-O

there is also an G13 at the Overloon museum, modified to look like een WW2 Hetzer

Michel

bialy-r

G-13 Tank Destroyer (??) - 2nd Panzer Division Association, IL (USA)

In new camouflage
www.flickr.com/photos/...559463281/

the_shadock

Merci AndrÃƒÂ©.. Wink

One less Hetzer !! However it's always a pleasure to see one more tank "inside".

P-O

Andre_Flener

Re:

- Bastogne Historical center, inside the museum (Belgium) : not sure if itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s an original or a G13
- Bastogne Historical center, outside the museum (Belgium)

Salut Pierre-Olivier,

well, the Bastogne Historical Center has only one 're-germanized' G-13; which had been donated by the Swiss in the late 1970's.

Until the end of 2004 (year of the 60th anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge), it had been on display in front of the building, first in winter-wash, then later in sandfarben colour. In 2004, the museum was a little bit renovated and the G-13 - repainted in an ambush scheme - moved inside, where it now stands inside the German diorama.

Some 'before/after' photos:

Pre-2004:

(Source of this image)

Post-2004:

(Source of this image)

Summary: it's the very same tank!

Hope this helps!

Regards,
AndrÃƒÂ© Flener

Rikard_Hufschmied

I'd classify the Hetzer at MPW Warszawa as a wreck. Whenever I see pictures of it I wonder if someone was in it when it was hit *shrug*... "tin can" or "tin opener" comes to mind.

Link to MPW pictures:

MPW Warszawa pictures

Rik

zundappuk

Original Hetzers in UK.

Bovington Tank Museum

Private owner, friend of mine (as seen at Beltring etc)

Unrestored example, Private owner.

The IWM Duxford example is a G13, but hull number indicates origianl re-worked.

David

the_shadock

Taranov, thanks for the info. I got some pics of this Hetzer in Kubinka, with 2 different paints and marking, and I thought they had 2 of those vehicles.

P-O

Taranov

BTW in Kubinka preserved only one Jagdpanzer 38 (t)

It's a late series vehicle, serial number 1775. Current painscheme - restored original painscheme of this Hetzer.

ChrisC · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 26, 2006 Posts: 147

2nd panzer

Dave Crompton's

Dontos

The Patton Museum's G13 / Hetzer:

I have more, but here is one from May 2005:

Several photos Linked here: Armor for the Ages: Atlanta June 05

Don

Neil_Baumgardner

Some pics of the VMMV G-13, post-Hetzer mod:

Neil

ChrisC · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 26, 2006 Posts: 147

2nd Panzer re-enacted in IL has one
There is also one in private hands here in MI
I think both are modded G13's

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