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M103 Heavy Tank Question
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: M103 Heavy Tank Question
The M103 on display at Yuma Proving Ground has a bumper number of "2/37 Armor". Is that historically accurate? A lot of times I think the bumper # is the unit of the guy who had to paint it! _________________ "TUMBLEWEED"

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
Mark, Does not make sense to me, I spent some time in 3-37 AR and never heard of them ever having any M103's. From what I recall only 33rd AR had them in W. Germany. Joe D

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
www.2-37ar.1ad.army.mil/ It may have had them, the M103 was used for a literal blink of an eye in tank terms. _________________ RobG

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
Sabot, Could be but IIRC those tanks from the 33rd were actually parceled in company/ platoon sized elements to other areas and retained their 33rd lineage. Where's Russ when you need him. Never was to impressed with the M103. More of an abomination that was made obsolete by the 105mm M68. Joe D

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:33 pm
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Here is what I got....

M103:....200 Produced??

M103A1: 72 Leased by the US Army (??) and sent to Europe.

1958: US Army fields the 899th Tank Battalion with the M103A1 Heavy Tank. Redesignates to 2nd Heavy Tank Bn, 33rd Armor Regt.
** Composition of Unit: 4 Tank Companies, made up of 6 Platoons (3 tanks per Platoon)

The 899th Tank Bn was inactivated on 1 May 1958 in Germany; concurrently, personnel and equipment were transferred in place to the newly activated 2nd Heavy Tank Bn, 33rd Armored which was activated on the same day and assigned to USAREUR.

Hows that?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
Thanks Don! Maybe I can remember it this time! _________________ "TUMBLEWEED"

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:41 pm
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Almost forgot....

(Source: Seventh Army Composition, June 1958, 7th Army Annual History, 1958)

Units attached to the 4th Armor in Group in June 1958:

UNITS HOME STATION
HHC, 4th Armor Group Gibbs Ksn, Frankfurt

1st Armd Rifle Bn, 48th Inf Worms
(probably former 746th AIB)

3rd Armd Rifle Bn, 50th Inf Camp Wildflecken
(probably former 373rd AIB)

2nd Hv Tank Bn, 33rd Armd Hanau

3rd Med Tank Bn, 35th Armd Mannheim (former 510th Tank Bn)

3rd Med Tank Bn, 37th Armd Schweinfurt

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
Here is a image with recorded data from the Radcliff KY, M103A1. I found some of my old files of 'useless information'. Don

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: M103 Heavy Tank Question
Hmmm, wonder if that M103 will go to the Columbus, Georgia Chamber of Commerce? _________________ "TUMBLEWEED"

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