±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 883
Total: 883
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: News Archive
04: Statistics
05: Community Forums
06: Member Screenshots
07: News Archive
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Statistics
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: Member Screenshots
17: News Archive
18: News Archive
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Member Screenshots
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Downloads
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: News Archive
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Member Screenshots
36: Community Forums
37: Member Screenshots
38: Statistics
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Member Screenshots
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: News Archive
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: News Archive
49: Member Screenshots
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Member Screenshots
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Downloads
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Member Screenshots
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: News Archive
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: News
77: Member Screenshots
78: Statistics
79: Member Screenshots
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Member Screenshots
83: Downloads
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Downloads
93: Community Forums
94: Member Screenshots
95: Photo Gallery
96: Member Screenshots
97: Statistics
98: Downloads
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: News Archive
107: News
108: News Archive
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: News
114: Statistics
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Statistics
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: News
121: Member Screenshots
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Photo Gallery
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: News Archive
134: Member Screenshots
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Downloads
139: Statistics
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Downloads
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Member Screenshots
155: Member Screenshots
156: Community Forums
157: Statistics
158: Home
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Member Screenshots
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Statistics
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Statistics
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Downloads
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Downloads
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: News
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Member Screenshots
189: Member Screenshots
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Statistics
197: Community Forums
198: Member Screenshots
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Your Account
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Member Screenshots
205: Community Forums
206: Member Screenshots
207: Downloads
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Member Screenshots
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Community Forums
219: Statistics
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Member Screenshots
226: Photo Gallery
227: Downloads
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Member Screenshots
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Statistics
248: Community Forums
249: Member Screenshots
250: Photo Gallery
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Home
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: News Archive
260: Community Forums
261: Statistics
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Downloads
269: Member Screenshots
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Member Screenshots
274: Photo Gallery
275: News Archive
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Downloads
279: Home
280: Member Screenshots
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Member Screenshots
289: Home
290: Home
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Member Screenshots
294: Home
295: Downloads
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Home
304: Home
305: Downloads
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Member Screenshots
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Downloads
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Community Forums
325: Home
326: Home
327: Home
328: Home
329: Community Forums
330: Member Screenshots
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Home
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Statistics
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Member Screenshots
340: Photo Gallery
341: Member Screenshots
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Member Screenshots
347: Home
348: Community Forums
349: Home
350: Home
351: Home
352: Home
353: Home
354: Member Screenshots
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Home
364: Home
365: Home
366: Home
367: News
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Downloads
371: Community Forums
372: News Archive
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Downloads
376: Community Forums
377: Member Screenshots
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Downloads
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Member Screenshots
384: Home
385: Home
386: Statistics
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Statistics
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Home
400: Home
401: Photo Gallery
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Member Screenshots
409: Photo Gallery
410: Community Forums
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: News
414: Community Forums
415: Downloads
416: Community Forums
417: Statistics
418: Photo Gallery
419: Community Forums
420: News Archive
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Member Screenshots
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Downloads
432: Community Forums
433: Statistics
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Photo Gallery
441: Home
442: Community Forums
443: Downloads
444: Community Forums
445: Photo Gallery
446: Downloads
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: News Archive
454: Community Forums
455: Member Screenshots
456: Downloads
457: Photo Gallery
458: News
459: Your Account
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Home
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Downloads
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Photo Gallery
472: Statistics
473: Statistics
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Member Screenshots
478: Community Forums
479: News Archive
480: Community Forums
481: Downloads
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Photo Gallery
486: Home
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Supporters
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Member Screenshots
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: News Archive
498: Statistics
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Statistics
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: News
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Photo Gallery
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Home
515: Community Forums
516: Member Screenshots
517: Community Forums
518: Home
519: Community Forums
520: Statistics
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Member Screenshots
527: News Archive
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Downloads
533: Photo Gallery
534: Community Forums
535: Statistics
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: Downloads
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Photo Gallery
547: Home
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Statistics
551: Downloads
552: Statistics
553: News Archive
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: News Archive
557: Photo Gallery
558: Downloads
559: News Archive
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Community Forums
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: News Archive
570: Community Forums
571: Downloads
572: Community Forums
573: Statistics
574: Photo Gallery
575: Home
576: Member Screenshots
577: Community Forums
578: Statistics
579: Community Forums
580: Downloads
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Member Screenshots
591: News
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Downloads
596: Statistics
597: Community Forums
598: Home
599: Home
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Photo Gallery
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: News Archive
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Member Screenshots
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: News Archive
623: Downloads
624: Member Screenshots
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: News Archive
632: Community Forums
633: Home
634: Home
635: Downloads
636: Community Forums
637: Home
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Member Screenshots
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: News
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Statistics
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Downloads
652: Member Screenshots
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: News Archive
656: Photo Gallery
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Photo Gallery
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Downloads
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Home
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: News Archive
676: Community Forums
677: Member Screenshots
678: Statistics
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Statistics
682: Community Forums
683: Member Screenshots
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Supporters
687: Downloads
688: Home
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Photo Gallery
694: Community Forums
695: Photo Gallery
696: Community Forums
697: Statistics
698: Photo Gallery
699: Home
700: Home
701: Downloads
702: Home
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Photo Gallery
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Photo Gallery
713: Downloads
714: Your Account
715: Downloads
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Home
723: Community Forums
724: Home
725: Downloads
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Statistics
729: Home
730: News Archive
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Downloads
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: Community Forums
742: News Archive
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Member Screenshots
747: Community Forums
748: News Archive
749: Statistics
750: Member Screenshots
751: Member Screenshots
752: Community Forums
753: Member Screenshots
754: Downloads
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Home
759: Community Forums
760: Home
761: Community Forums
762: News Archive
763: Downloads
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Downloads
768: Community Forums
769: Community Forums
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Downloads
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Statistics
783: Community Forums
784: Community Forums
785: Member Screenshots
786: Downloads
787: Community Forums
788: Community Forums
789: Photo Gallery
790: Community Forums
791: Community Forums
792: Community Forums
793: Photo Gallery
794: Community Forums
795: Downloads
796: Community Forums
797: Community Forums
798: Downloads
799: Member Screenshots
800: Member Screenshots
801: Photo Gallery
802: Community Forums
803: Community Forums
804: Home
805: News Archive
806: Home
807: Member Screenshots
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Member Screenshots
811: Home
812: Member Screenshots
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Community Forums
817: Community Forums
818: Community Forums
819: Photo Gallery
820: Community Forums
821: Home
822: Community Forums
823: News Archive
824: Community Forums
825: Member Screenshots
826: Community Forums
827: Community Forums
828: Community Forums
829: Statistics
830: Community Forums
831: Community Forums
832: Community Forums
833: Community Forums
834: Community Forums
835: Community Forums
836: Community Forums
837: Community Forums
838: Community Forums
839: Member Screenshots
840: News Archive
841: Member Screenshots
842: Statistics
843: Community Forums
844: Photo Gallery
845: Community Forums
846: Member Screenshots
847: Community Forums
848: Downloads
849: Community Forums
850: News
851: News Archive
852: Community Forums
853: Community Forums
854: Community Forums
855: Member Screenshots
856: Community Forums
857: Your Account
858: Community Forums
859: Community Forums
860: Community Forums
861: Home
862: Statistics
863: News Archive
864: Photo Gallery
865: Community Forums
866: Community Forums
867: Member Screenshots
868: Community Forums
869: Community Forums
870: Home
871: Photo Gallery
872: Community Forums
873: Home
874: Community Forums
875: Community Forums
876: Community Forums
877: Photo Gallery
878: Member Screenshots
879: Home
880: Home
881: Home
882: Home
883: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:22 am
Post subject: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Found this data sheet while digging thru the Archives, some time ago. Just 'rediscovered' the entire data sheet.

(Let the debate begin.... Mr. Green )

[img][/img]


Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:37 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

What's to debate?....By the time it could have been fielded, it couldn't keep up with the forces it was expected to defend and couldn't hit anything even if it had.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:50 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

The glacis in the top photo is straight like an M60. Doesn't show the modified rear deck cover. I think Ford Aerospace had this contract. They disappeared after this failure. They would have done just as well, or better, to have upgraded the Duster.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:53 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

- Doug_Kibbey
What's to debate?....By the time it could have been fielded, it couldn't keep up with the forces it was expected to defend and couldn't hit anything even if it had.


Agreed, but when I first posted just the hull diagrams, there seemed to be doubts in the information and I wasn't able to produce the entire data page.

Amazing that the M48 Hull system is used, instead of an Abrams or lighter AGS or even sheridan hull system.

The Division level Air Defense asset (hence the title DIVAD Gun) should have been developed with the future speed element foremost in the concept process.

JMHO
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:11 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Don Said:

Amazing that the M48 Hull system is used, instead of an Abrams or lighter AGS or even sheridan hull system.


I think it was a matter of necessity, Remember at this time M1 production was just ramping up (1985) and Detroit had to be used until Lima could get fully on line. Priority one was fielding the M1 Tank and no hulls could be diverted for other special projects at the time. As far as using the AGS or M551 hulls, I think again it was a matter of physics and cost. Both systems are very light and would be way underpowered to move/ power the electricity sucking turret of the DIVAD system. Also at this time the M60A3's being replaced by M1's were replacing the M48A5's in the Guard, creating a surplus of M48 hulls that logistically were easy to support verses the M551 or AGS whose parts were very limited.

If, and I say big if, the system performed as required, the hull could have been easily up graded with a more powerful engine and better suspension to keep up with the M1's. Both had already been developed for the M60 series but not implemented due to the M1 fielding. Applying them to an M48 hull would be very simple.

That DD 672-1 looks like part of a request for the DoD to provide M48A5 hulls with the necessary equipment. That might explain why the drawing is not of the actual M247 hull.

Thanks for sharing Don

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

As I remember it (always dangerous) The Divad was a knee jerk reaction to the concerns with air defense in Europe based on observations in the Yom Kippur war ( The success of the zsu-23 and the smaller missles) and counting the number of aircraft the Soviets had to throw at the European front. I believe it was felt that they could save time (and money) by using an existing chassis. They didn't want to buy the Gepard but wanted a similar vehicle. It was thought that it was a low risk quick turnaround development effort. Then they started adding capabilities and it grew and stretched out in development time

I don't think an M551 chassis could have handled the recoil forces of twin automatic 35 or 40 mm weapons, especially when firing at low angle to the side

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

- MarkHolloway
The glacis in the top photo is straight like an M60.


Nope,

it certainly is not, as evidenced by the round sections on the lower hull- those would not be there on a straight glacis, which would show up as a rectangle on this type of drawing. Cool



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

VIDEO www.youtube.com/watch?...re=related

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
GaryKato
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 07, 2006
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

I seem to recall it was supposed to be low risk: Known hull, known gun, known radar (from F-16 if I remember).
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

- GaryKato
I seem to recall it was supposed to be low risk: Known hull, known gun, known radar (from F-16 if I remember).


That's what I remember, too. Also the twin 40mm guns from the Duster. Should have been reliable. Should have....

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Gary said;

I seem to recall it was supposed to be low risk: Known hull, known gun, known radar (from F-16 if I remember).


All systems were proven, but in regards to the Radar, I don't think it was for ground use Rolling Eyes .

Therein lies the major problem. Something that is designed to work in the relatively clean environment of the sky does not automatically guarantee it'll work in a AFV. Not to mention the stress and shock it undergoes. Another problem from what I can remember was the inability to sort out all the clutter it experienced. IIRC the system was supposed to hone in on the tell tale signature of a helicopter rotor. Unfortunately it was easily confused and locked on such inordinate things like ventilator fans. It didn't help that during testing the targets were rigged to self destruct, a safety requirement, that ended up being a big controversy with the media when accusations were made that they were never effectively struck. The stink was that they supposedly faked the ability to hit by detonating the targets on cue.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tommyarizona
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2008
Posts: 9
Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:14 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Fella’s
I just happened across this.
I was the design engineer for the gunfights on divad.
Prior to this I spent a month working on the rear deck you are questioning.
The Mod on the chassis was brought about with the addition of a 135 Hp turbine engine as an auxiliary power unit. Also the addition of better air filtration for both main and aux engines.
The M248 chassis would have not been my first pick either.
But they were plentiful.
The Guns
40s were chosen over 30s for many reasons, these are the ones I know of,
At the time the 40mm round came in a number of flavors mainly a Proximity round the 30 did not.
Ford Aeronutronic had just bid another project using a 30mm cannon and lost the bid.
Also lets not forget that Ford Aeronutronic was the maker of ammunition 20, 30, 40mm.
I believe using the 40 was also a business decision $$$$.
Lastly
Ford actually scored less direct hits in the initial shoot off with GD who was using twin 30's.
But because Ford was using a prox round there near misses were counted as hits.
One other thing to point out.
GD (General Dynamics) went light with its turret, it was all aluminum better suited for the 30s

I don’t know ware you are going with this topic.
So let me say this.
Nothing you read about this system, (on the Net or in the public news agencies) is the truth.
The cancellation of this system was purely political and had nothing to do with its performance.
I have been the senior Designer Engineer on many systems for the military.
To this day I am bitter about the cancellation of Divad.
One can not say, that if it worked as advertised(and it did)
We don’t badly need this system today.
Not to mention the if it was in our arsenal today it would be a matured system with all the advances in technology we have made since.
Had it not been canceled Katusha's would have never hit the ground in Israel.

Remember
The claim was that the system could not reach the stand off distance of the Russian Hind helicopter.
But the question as to weather it could shoot down the missiles fired by the Hind was never brought up or tested.
A BIG MISTAKE.

In the end...
The Missile loopiest won.
and there associates got all the gold $$$$$


Please
Feel free to visit my website for Ref www.tmaengineering.net
Click Defense tab

Peace
Tom

Peace
Tom
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:05 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Tom

WOW!! WELCOME!

I have contributed to a number of discussions on the Sgt York, but mainly from the aspect of an AFV historical aspect.

I remember DIVAD mainly due to a family members involvement in ADA during those days, and a possible after-service career at a 'proposed' DIVAD production facility in El Paso Tx. Your assertions to the testing is along the same lines as my family members.

Our big 'deal' is attempting to properly ID a vehicle based off of vehicle features. Sometimes it can be quite a 'dog-eat-dog' discussion. The primary goal is to exchange ideas and information in the hopes of historical accuracy.

Thanks for the information.
Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
tommyarizona
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2008
Posts: 9
Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:56 am
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Hello Don/All
Yep this one hits a nerve.
And good old Elpaso does too.
Fort Bliss
2 years 3rd Cav as an artillery surveyor.
Not complaining, I was young and dumb and wanted to go to Nam.
The God send was that the war ended wile I was in AIT, and I got stuck at Fort Bliss.
Didn’t seem fair at time, but I thank my lucky star’s today.
I grew a brain. Razz

If I can help with Divad let me know.
The only historical thing I can think of is that Divad was the first military system to go from concept to production in 5 years
(this included building the assembly ficility)
It was to be the model program for development of future military systems like it.
I use to have a top assy outline drawing but I have not seen it in a wile.I will look.
I have to mention,
When the government closes a program they make sure its gone for good.
I didn’t see them crush vheicales, but I saw them crush everything else.
All I can say is they make sure know one can change there mind.

Cheers
Tom
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Sgt York (DIVAD Gun) Information

Tommy,

When were you at Bliss and what squadron? I was in 'B' Troop 72-73 and 'I' Troop 76-79.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 4
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum