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M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:10 pm
Post subject: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question

I was under the impression that there were no M4 76mm Shermans in the ETO during WWII (just A1, A2,A3...).
I recently picked up Concord publications "The Sherman at War" by S.Zaloga Volume 2 - The US Army in the ET 1943-45.
On pages 54, 55, 56 and 61 the captions for some pictures of 76mm Shermans state "M4 (76)". Are these just typos or were there really M4 76mm Shermans in the ETO?
All views are frontal or side and as far as I know you can't distinguish an M4 from an M4A3 except for the deck and rear... but I'm no expert.

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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
Hi There was no M4 76mm, just A1-A2-A3 Steven Zaloga wrote somewhere that he uses the short M4 when he cannot state the exact variant - even though in that case the variant is obvious because the M4A2 76 all went to the USSR during WW2 HTH

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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
Apart from the 5 or 6 supplied to the UK.... _________________ Inevitably Jared

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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
Thanks for the confirmation. Would be much less confusing if maybe he used the generic term "Sherman" instead of "M4" in cases where it wasn't clear. Although he is probably trying to avoid using the term Sherman as it was the British designation and this volume covers American tanks.

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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
That's true I think most American users only saw them as 'M4s' at the time and 'Sherman' was probably unheard in US units HTH

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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: M4 76mm Sherman or not? That is the question
Keep in mind that by the time the 76 was going into the "M4" variants the specific M4A0 would have had the late war improvements and would have a composite hull and would thus be recognizable as such. The M4 late war is very distinct from the M4A3 (75 and 76mm) late war variants. (no M4 76mm variants to be confused with the M4A3 76mm) SR

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