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Mark_Jones
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:28 pm
Post subject: Dutch APCs before the YP408

Hello,

Since the Forum switched I have not been able to get access at work, which used to be my main internet source, so this is my first post in a long time.

As part of a mid/late 1950s diorama idea featuring a Dutch Centurion I wanted to add another Dutch AFV, preferably an APC. As the YP408 didn't enter service until 1959, what were the Dutch using before hand? Was it still M3 half tracks, or something else?

Any ideas?

Cheers

Mark

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch APCs before the YP408
You might find something in the links on these page Mark www.armymuseum.nl/lege...00103.html landmacht.startpagina.nl/ www.startkabel.nl/k/de...x.php?nr=1 details of Sherman tank in service with Dutch forces web.inter.nl.net/users...104/nl.htm Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:01 pm
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- Mark_Jones

Hello,

Since the Forum switched I have not been able to get access at work, which used to be my main internet source, so this is my first post in a long time.

As part of a mid/late 1950s diorama idea featuring a Dutch Centurion I wanted to add another Dutch AFV, preferably an APC. As the YP408 didn't enter service until 1959, what were the Dutch using before hand? Was it still M3 half tracks, or something else?

Any ideas?

Cheers

Mark

Well, I wish I'd seen this yesterday, since I just spent today at a Dutch Army/Cavalry base and toured an excellent museum there (where I took a lot of pics). However, if you can stand a wait of a few days, I'll ask my excellent host (who is a member here) if he can get a good definitive answer for you. I'll copy your question to an email and ask him to reply here or in an email that I'll forward...
My guess will be that it was likely wheeled, for pre-'59 (though they did operate half-tracks). This might have depended on the role of the vehicle...you looking for a scout vehicle or a people-carrier?

BTW, I counted at least 5 Cents there, most in very good shape and one amazingly complete...I'll post pics when I get home in a week...

Glad you finally got on with us, anyway...

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:20 pm
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Hi Mark,

I was Dougs host for today. It was very nice to meet him. He emailed me your question, and I will try to answer it. Doug is right, whe did not have AFV in that time. The AMX and YP408 entered service in the early sixties. We used DAF 1 ton trucks and the NEKAF which was essentially a Dutch version of the jeep.
I will be on the base tomorrow and will check if the museum is open. If it is I will see that I can find someone there who is more knowlegable than me and ask him. But I am pretty sure aboyt my answer.

I hope this helps you in some way.

kind regards

Marcel

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch APCs before the YP408
...and until I get home, here is a link to some of the collection at the museum, which is nicely maintained: (click the "glass" for closeups) cavaleriemuseum_museum/tanks_pantserwagens

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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch APCs before the YP408
Gentlemen, Fantastic! Thanks for all the help, the various links give me a variety of alternatives. Doug, I'm looking forward to the pictures. Thanks again Mark

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