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armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

These are from the Heartland Museum of Military Vehicles in Lexington, Nebraska also taken by my friend, I try to keep him
on the road as much as possible, as usual please correct any captions, this new stuff is not anything I know but I'm learning....

M548

M113 HELLFIRE PROTOTYPE

M113

M110A2

M60A1

M29 WEASEL

M16 HALFTRACK

M4A3 SHERMAN

M4 TRACTOR

AIRBORNE DOZER

M2 CLETRAC

FORD LAFRANCE FIRE TRUCK

DODGE 2T HARDTOP

NASH QUAD TRUCK

LIBERTY TRUCK

WC-64 AMBULANCE this one looks wrong to me, but the sign says this is a WC-64

WC-63 WEAPONS CARRIER

M28 WEASEL this is a rare one, notice the suspension....

M7 SNOW TRACTOR has anyone seen one of these before?

M2 BRADLEY 2nd one

M2 BRADLEY

Doug_Kibbey

The M113 is interesting in that it appears to be "downgraded, backdated" A1 with an ACAV kit ala Vietnam. Yet it has mounts for smoke can dischargers, not seen on 113's there.

Also, that's not an A1 turret on the M60 'dozer vehicle.

JeffStringer · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 637

The Sherman is a M4A1E8 and I believe that's a M5 tractor.

Very nice pics!

Dontos

- armyjunk2

M133 HELLFIRE PROTOTYPE

...WOW, thats cool!!! Looks like a Bradley Turret, with Bushmaster removed... Shocked

M113

I believe its an M113A2 with some gun shields added. Not really an 'ACAV'. Mr. Green

M29 WEASEL

Hey!!! Is that a 'Mule' with the 106mm RR behind the Weasel?

M7 SNOW TRACTOR has anyone seen one of these before?

Is that an early Allis Chalmers??

COOL STUFF!!

Don

Doug_Kibbey

- Dontos

M113

I believe its an M113A2 with some gun shields added. Not really an 'ACAV'.

Don

Yep, kinda' what I was gettin' at. Wink

the_shadock

Here is a picture of the Dodge WC-64 KD.
3500 were made from April 1944 until the end of WW2, and only 20 survivors are known.

An interesting link about this vehicle :

Dodge WC 64

Neil_Baumgardner

BTW, did the museum really call that M113 w/ Hellfire prototype a "M133" or is that a typo?

Neil

armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

Sorry neil, typo on my part.......

Neil_Baumgardner

Thats what I thought - just checking...

Thanks again for the great pics!

Neil

Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- JeffStringer

The Sherman is a M4A1E8 and I believe that's a M5 tractor.

You are correct about the missed ID Sherman, but that tractor is correctly ID. It is a M4 HST without an ammo storage box on the rear.
The M5 HST didn't have a front set of fixed windshields.

Sgt, Scouts Out1

Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Dontos! Hi Folks!

- Dontos

M29 WEASEL

Hey!!! Is that a 'Mule' with the 106mm RR behind the Weasel?

Boy do you have a thing for 106mm RRs or what?
I missed it the first time through and only picked up on it when you said something!

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Folks!

- armyjunk2

M60A1

Doug is correct, that is NOT an 'A1', that dozer tank is an older 'A0' version.

Thanks for all the photos AJ2.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

JeffStringer · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 637

Thanks Roy for the correction! I learned something new today!

Besides the diesel in the M113A1, how can you tell it apart from the M113 with the gasoline engine?

Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- JeffStringer

Besides the diesel in the M113A1, how can you tell it apart from the M113 with the gasoline engine?

Without being able to see the engine or the fuel tank, it's not easy and not 100% sure.

For those who have both Tamiya's M113 and Academy's M113A1 kits. Look at the fuel tanks. Tamiya's has the mo-gas type found in the 'A0' and Academy's has the diesel type found in the 'A1's. It is my understanding the the 'A2' has some type of protective covering which makes it look differert from the 'A1' type and on the 'A3' versions, the fuel cell has been moved outside the hull.

The main item on the out side is the type of engine exhuast pipe.
The M-113A0s (mo-gas) vehicles had a curved pipe.
The new A1s had a pipe that was cut and bent to a 45 degree angle from the base part going down into the hull.
The 'A2' and 'A3's have a flapper to keep rain out of the exhaust pipe system with a brush guard protecting it.

Some 'A0' upgrades used the older curved pipe. Only the new production 'A1's had the pipe with the 45 degree angle.

One way to tell a vehcile is NOT a M113A0, is the left rear fender (standing in the vehicle, facing forward). If the top plate is flat, it has a diesel fuel tank. The M113A0 vehicles had a drain plug in the hull wall and the fender had a channel for the fuel to run down. The diesel vehicles had a different type of fuel cell and the drain was inside the hull next the ramp cable pully.

If the drain channel is there, but there is NO drain plug in the hull wall, then the vehicle is a rebuild 'A0' that has been upgraded to a 'A1'.

Most rebuild 'A1's still had the drain channel in the fender and it was not replaced until it was damaged and in need of replacement.

The presents of the drain plug and drain channel in the fender does NOT confirm the vehicle is a M113A0. Some 'A1' upgrades left both items on the hull. Only the lack of those two items comfirms the vehicle has a diesel engine.

One more item that might help is the thickness of the light and antenna brush guards. The 'A0' had thin guards made out of aluminum which were welded to the hull. Very easy to damage and a lot of trouble to get repaired. Something called MIG (Sp-?) type of welder was required and combat battalions didn't have one. Rebuild and new 'A1's had heavy steel light and antenna guards which where bolted to a based that was welded to the hull. Much harder to damage and much easier to get fixed as long as the base was not damaged.

If you have thin light and antenna guards,
if you have the curved exhaust pipe,
if you have the drain plug in the hull and the drain channel in the fender,
then you MAY be looking at a mo-gasser.

It is far easier to tell a vehicle is a diesel that it is to tell if it is a mo-gasser. The only 100% way to know is to look at the engine or the fuel tank.

Hope this helps some! Confused