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M4A1 at 4ID museum...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:04 am
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Hi Folks!

Now I have a question for all of you Shermanoholics. Shocked

That vehicle has the E9 system?

Is that based on the number and locations of nuts that are welded to the hull side?

Without a:
1. front view where I could see the track is set out,
2. no duck bills on the inside of the track block,
3. closer photo of the idler mounts where the modification to the mount can been seen,
I had/have no idea that vehicle has an E9 system on it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:18 am
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- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Folks!

Now I have a question for all of you Shermanoholics. Shocked

That vehicle has the E9 system?

Is that based on the number and locations of nuts that are welded to the hull side?

Without a:
1. front view where I could see the track is set out,
2. no duck bills on the inside of the track block,
3. closer photo of the idler mounts where the modification to the mount can been seen,
I had/have no idea that vehicle has an E9 system on it.

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Hi Roy,
My first indicator other than the nuts on the hull side was the space between the final drive covers and the inner end connectors of the tracks. In the first two pics of the tank, you can see that there is space there. Normal VVSS suspensions have very minimal space.

I've taken one of Jeff's pics, lightened it up and cropped out most of the tank to show the modified idler wheel brackets:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:53 am
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Hi Chris! Hi Folks!

- toadmanstankpictures

My first indicator..... was the space between the final drive covers and the inner end connectors of the tracks. In the first two pics of the tank, you can see that there is space there. Normal VVSS suspensions have very minimal space.


With the angle of the views, I just wasn't see enough space. Confused

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I've taken one of Jeff's pics, lightened it up and cropped out most of the tank to show the modified idler wheel brackets:


Thanks, now I can see the modified brackets!
I now join the group, that is a M4A1E9 75mm Sherman! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:55 am
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roy, you arent a shermanoholic?
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roy, you arent a shermanoholic?


If you are, its okay. You're with friends. Laughing Laughing

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I just came from going back to this tank over my lunch again and I got more pictures. One picture is from the rear, looking right down the left side between the hull and the track its self. Plus some other shots. I'll post them tonight along with the M4A3 sitting next to it and another M4A3 I found over in 1st Cav land that has complete serial number and stampings readable. I have to keep you "Shermaholics" hooked up!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:17 pm
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you will be one soon jeff!!! denial is the first step to recovery.
remember the sherman has had a very long life. no other afv has been in service for as many years as the sherman.
man i need help...
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you will be one soon jeff!!! denial is the first step to recovery.
remember the sherman has had a very long life. no other afv has been in service for as many years as the sherman.
man i need help...


The M113 is closing the gap, though! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:40 pm
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- Roy_A_Lingle
Without a:
1. front view where I could see the track is set out,
2. no duck bills on the inside of the track block,
3. closer photo of the idler mounts where the modification to the mount


If SFC Burton doesn't mind - here's a photo I took of this vehicle a couple of years ago from the front (and before a much needed paint job). Shows the track set out - but no inner duckbills installed. All this time I never realized that this was an E9!



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OK, I got some more pictures today of the "E9" and I hope they show the spacing of the track from the hull. I also got some shots of the drivers hatches, top of the turret, top of the tank, radial engine, and a rear view as well as one of the idler wheel with its stampings.
Roy, The last name is "Button", like the button on your shirt. Jeff Burton drives the #31 Cingular Chevy for Richard Childress and has the pole for this weekends race at MIS. But don't worry, I get called Burton all the time and just today my commander called me 1SG Booth!

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I get called Burton all the time and just today my commander called me 1SG Booth!


That could be useful, Jeff. I'd blame that Booth feller for every deficiency that crops up. Wink
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Sorry Mr. Button, sir - that was me, not Roy.

I sure do appreciate your photos! Hoping to work out my schedule sometime before too long to make a visit back out to Fort Hood.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:58 am
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Sorry Mr. Button, sir -


Don't call him "sir"! He works for a living!! Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:26 pm
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thanks for the pics. things become more apparent now. one look is worth a thousand reports, pictures will be the closest thing for now.

i am not suggesting to imply this, it really would open pandora's box (you would lose either way), too bad that blaming the booth feller idea couldnt be used at home...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:44 pm
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Did anyone else notice that the grouser stowage covers are on backwards?

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