±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 527
Total: 527
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Your Account
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Photo Gallery
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: CPGlang
19: Member Screenshots
20: Home
21: Downloads
22: Photo Gallery
23: News Archive
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: CPGlang
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Photo Gallery
33: Home
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Downloads
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: CPGlang
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Photo Gallery
46: Photo Gallery
47: Photo Gallery
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Home
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Downloads
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Home
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: CPGlang
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: CPGlang
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: News Archive
72: Downloads
73: Downloads
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: CPGlang
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: Community Forums
81: Downloads
82: Downloads
83: Community Forums
84: CPGlang
85: Downloads
86: Downloads
87: Photo Gallery
88: CPGlang
89: Downloads
90: Downloads
91: News Archive
92: Photo Gallery
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: CPGlang
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: CPGlang
110: Home
111: Downloads
112: CPGlang
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Downloads
120: CPGlang
121: Downloads
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Home
128: Downloads
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Member Screenshots
135: Photo Gallery
136: Member Screenshots
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: CPGlang
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: News
144: Community Forums
145: CPGlang
146: News
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Photo Gallery
151: Photo Gallery
152: CPGlang
153: Photo Gallery
154: CPGlang
155: CPGlang
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Downloads
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: CPGlang
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Downloads
166: Downloads
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Downloads
177: CPGlang
178: Downloads
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Downloads
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Downloads
186: Downloads
187: Downloads
188: CPGlang
189: Photo Gallery
190: Downloads
191: Downloads
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: Home
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Photo Gallery
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Home
205: Downloads
206: Home
207: Home
208: Downloads
209: Home
210: Photo Gallery
211: Downloads
212: Downloads
213: News
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Home
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Downloads
224: Downloads
225: Member Screenshots
226: News
227: Your Account
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Home
232: Member Screenshots
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Home
238: Downloads
239: Downloads
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Downloads
249: Photo Gallery
250: Downloads
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Downloads
254: Downloads
255: Downloads
256: Photo Gallery
257: Home
258: Home
259: Statistics
260: Member Screenshots
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: News
265: Downloads
266: Photo Gallery
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Downloads
271: CPGlang
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Downloads
281: Home
282: Community Forums
283: CPGlang
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Your Account
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Member Screenshots
292: Photo Gallery
293: Downloads
294: Photo Gallery
295: Home
296: CPGlang
297: News
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Downloads
301: Downloads
302: Home
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Photo Gallery
309: Community Forums
310: Downloads
311: Home
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: CPGlang
315: Downloads
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Home
322: Home
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Downloads
326: Photo Gallery
327: Downloads
328: Downloads
329: CPGlang
330: Downloads
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: News Archive
334: Downloads
335: News
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: CPGlang
343: Photo Gallery
344: Photo Gallery
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Community Forums
350: Home
351: Home
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Downloads
356: Home
357: Home
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Community Forums
361: Home
362: Home
363: Home
364: Community Forums
365: Downloads
366: Downloads
367: Member Screenshots
368: CPGlang
369: Downloads
370: Home
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Downloads
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Downloads
377: Home
378: Downloads
379: Downloads
380: Community Forums
381: News Archive
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: CPGlang
385: CPGlang
386: Photo Gallery
387: Photo Gallery
388: CPGlang
389: Downloads
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: CPGlang
393: Downloads
394: Community Forums
395: CPGlang
396: Downloads
397: Photo Gallery
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Photo Gallery
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Home
409: Photo Gallery
410: CPGlang
411: Downloads
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Photo Gallery
415: News Archive
416: Photo Gallery
417: Photo Gallery
418: Downloads
419: Your Account
420: Downloads
421: Home
422: Home
423: Downloads
424: Photo Gallery
425: CPGlang
426: Photo Gallery
427: CPGlang
428: CPGlang
429: Home
430: Photo Gallery
431: Downloads
432: Photo Gallery
433: Photo Gallery
434: Home
435: Home
436: Photo Gallery
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Photo Gallery
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Photo Gallery
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Downloads
449: Downloads
450: Downloads
451: Photo Gallery
452: Downloads
453: Downloads
454: Downloads
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Photo Gallery
458: Community Forums
459: Photo Gallery
460: Photo Gallery
461: Home
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Downloads
466: Photo Gallery
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: News
472: Downloads
473: Member Screenshots
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Photo Gallery
478: Downloads
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Photo Gallery
482: Member Screenshots
483: CPGlang
484: Photo Gallery
485: Downloads
486: Photo Gallery
487: Photo Gallery
488: CPGlang
489: CPGlang
490: CPGlang
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Downloads
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Photo Gallery
498: Member Screenshots
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Downloads
502: Downloads
503: Community Forums
504: Photo Gallery
505: Photo Gallery
506: Downloads
507: Photo Gallery
508: Downloads
509: Home
510: Downloads
511: Member Screenshots
512: CPGlang
513: CPGlang
514: Member Screenshots
515: Home
516: Photo Gallery
517: Photo Gallery
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Photo Gallery
521: CPGlang
522: CPGlang
523: Home
524: Downloads
525: Community Forums
526: Home
527: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M88 M109 new and old breaking down
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:33 pm
Post subject: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

well, first no injuries at all in these two mishaps. unfortunately, matt's wife was injuried in an auto accident near this same spot as the M109 mishap the day after. aside from this, it was another exciting weekend of shoot em up.



Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:59 pm
Post subject: Johnnies scouring the skies for targets

Shawn -

What's the battery designation of that Reb "anti-balloon" gun?!?! I don't think I've run into such an outfit before . . .

Rob Stone
Seventh Michigan Vol. Inf., Coy. B
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:16 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

danged Union termites Laughing

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:48 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

Now I know the glorious Southern troops were known to use the DamnYankee supply system to meet many of their needs BUT ...

Given the predominence of faded blue kepis and sky blue trousers and teh absence of butternut. I think this may be a DamnYankee artillery piece.

In which case those would be Heroic and patriotic Confederate termites dedicated to preserving the Southern Confederacy.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:20 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

no sirs, it is a reb rifle... the feller in the red shirt owns this rifle. he is from the great state of TN! one pull of the lanyard and he turned his rifle into a mortar... i am just glad no one was hurt. shocked but not hurt.
unfortunately, he made his carriage out of red oak (laminated to boot). we were all standing around scratching our heads and asking "why?". besides the red oak, some had mentioned that his trunions were in a rearward location in relation to the axle and also his elevation screw bolted thru in roughly the same location as his cheeks (weaking the trail)...
all in all he generated alot of interest, his rifle was the most photographed field piece at the competition!
shawn
rob, i am sure i have run into you at events. you live near willow run dont you? or are you the one who was writing a civil war novel?
one of the E7's working on the M109 was in the 9th MI...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:14 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

See there was his problem, The Red Oak is the state tree of NJ and only my home part of the state is below the Mason-Dixon line. It probably came from North Joisey as Bob would say Mr. Green

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
oldertop
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 20, 2006
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:07 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

That will teach him to use White Oak or Ash, as well as to oil it. Neutral
Back to top
View user's profile
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:21 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

Yeah, Shawn, I live in Ann Arbor. My latest re-write on the Civil War novel is in full swing as I try to make it into something that will interest a literary agent. See you @ Jackson next month?

Rob
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:34 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

Was the M109 chained down? I don't see how this could have happened unless it was not tied down. Shocked

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:12 am
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

Rob, what date is Jackson? The battery wont be there, but I probably will be.

Mark, I wasnt able to get as close as I would have liked to. I tried to get whatever info I could. All the GI's told me was that the tractor/trailer "hit" something on the shoulder of the road, that caused the trailer to go all katywampass, the load shifted and slid off into the ditch... the shoulders are so rough and the edges of the asphalt road so broken up it is no wonder. I was told all said and done, they had to bring out a second 88 to give assist.
the roads around camp up there are terrible! I cant believe that Crawford County and/or in cooperation with the army wouldnt at least have army routes in better condition, considering how the routes are used...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:04 pm
Post subject: O/T: Jackson Civil War reenactment

Shawn -

The Jackson event takes place this year on Aug. 25-26.

Rob
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

Shawn, Mark,

GI's told me was that the tractor/trailer "hit" something on the shoulder of the road, that caused the trailer to go all katywampass, the load shifted and slid off into the ditch...


I don't buy it,
Looks more like the driver wasn't paying attention and drove into the ditch. HET's operate on a hell of a lot rougher roads in Iraq and at very high speeds. Most of the follow on forces (4ID, 3ACR and 1AD) in 2003 came up on them with crews in place ready for contact.

I had a Super HET get goofy on one of my platoons tanks (B22) at NTC coming down Brown/Debmon pass on Barstow road in 2001. Trailer got all "Katywampass" but never shifted the load like that. The tank did not slide off but the forces were enough to break a set of trailer dolly wheels off. M106 is a lot lighter, makes me agree with Mark.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:15 pm
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

If he was driving with one set of wheels on the shoulder it's possible that the edge gave way. Still looks like things weren't cinched down good. After all 'It wasn't a big move they were only going a couple miles' Confused Rolling Eyes

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:41 am
Post subject: Re: M88 M109 new and old breaking down

i took the word of the guardsmen there at the scene at the time...
and also that the wrecker was trying every which way to tug/winch directly onto the 109. the 88 had just repositioned and was trying to winch it from the rear, they had been straddling the road (way too narrow to do so) trying to move it laterally.

they had been working on it for several hours by the time i got to see the thing. quite possibly they have managed to pull the vehicle up closer to being back on the trailer, i dont know. if the thing slide off into a ditch, than you guys are correct it wasnt chained down or at least not chained down properly. either way i am glad i wasnt involved... the one guardsman said it wasnt the drivers fault.

anyway, the most humorous and entertaining were the local deputies that were on the scene. they werent at their best...
shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum