±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 409
Total: 409
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: News Archive
09: Statistics
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Downloads
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Your Account
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Photo Gallery
29: Home
30: News Archive
31: Treasury
32: Community Forums
33: Your Account
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Member Screenshots
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: News Archive
41: Photo Gallery
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Downloads
53: Community Forums
54: News Archive
55: Downloads
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: News
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Home
66: Home
67: Member Screenshots
68: Member Screenshots
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Statistics
74: Contact
75: Home
76: Member Screenshots
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: News
81: Member Screenshots
82: Home
83: Photo Gallery
84: Photo Gallery
85: Photo Gallery
86: Home
87: LinkToUs
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Statistics
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Home
97: Downloads
98: Home
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Search
102: Community Forums
103: Member Screenshots
104: Community Forums
105: Member Screenshots
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: News Archive
111: News Archive
112: Member Screenshots
113: News
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Member Screenshots
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Photo Gallery
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Downloads
137: Community Forums
138: Downloads
139: Member Screenshots
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Your Account
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Downloads
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: News Archive
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Your Account
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Statistics
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: News
176: Member Screenshots
177: Home
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Member Screenshots
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Statistics
200: Photo Gallery
201: News Archive
202: Your Account
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Photo Gallery
206: Home
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Home
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Downloads
229: News Archive
230: Member Screenshots
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Home
236: Photo Gallery
237: Photo Gallery
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Member Screenshots
244: Member Screenshots
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Search
248: Photo Gallery
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Your Account
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Photo Gallery
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Member Screenshots
265: Downloads
266: Photo Gallery
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Home
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Your Account
276: Downloads
277: Member Screenshots
278: Home
279: Community Forums
280: Photo Gallery
281: Home
282: Home
283: News Archive
284: Photo Gallery
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Member Screenshots
289: Member Screenshots
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Downloads
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Home
298: Search
299: Statistics
300: Downloads
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Home
314: Home
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Member Screenshots
324: Supporters
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Member Screenshots
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Downloads
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Your Account
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Photo Gallery
341: Home
342: Member Screenshots
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Photo Gallery
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Statistics
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Home
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Your Account
359: Community Forums
360: Downloads
361: Downloads
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: Home
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Member Screenshots
370: Community Forums
371: Your Account
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Home
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Your Account
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Tell a Friend
392: Member Screenshots
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Photo Gallery
396: Home
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: News Archive
402: Home
403: News
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Photo Gallery
407: Home
408: Home
409: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Looking for tank interiors
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
devnl
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 2007
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:30 am
Post subject: Looking for tank interiors

Hi,

I'm currently looking for references on the interiors of some tanks used in WWII. I eventually stumbled upon AFV Interiors, but noticed that they closed down. A search for AFV Interiors led me to this website, so I'm hoping someone over here can help me gather the needed references.

I'm in need of everything I can get my hands on for the following tank interiors:

Russian - BT5
Russian - BT7
Russian - T-26
German - Pz35(t) (AKA the Czech LT vz.35)
German - Pz38(t) (AKA the Czech LT vz.38)

I need these references because my team and I are developing a mod for the game Red Orchestra: Ostfront '41-'45. Since most exteriors are done, we need to focus on interiors now, however decent references aren't really easy to stumble upon.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Steven 'DeV' Thewissen
Lead Developer
www.carpathiancrosses.com
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Hi Devni,

Welcome to the AFV DG!

A lot of people saved pages from AFV Interiors (at Mike's urging) but I don't recall those vehicles being among the vehicles featured. For sure they're not among the ones I saved.

As your interest (well, the link, anyway) seems centered on the conflict as it involved/affected Romania, I presume you're familiar with and/or a member over here:

www.worldwar2.ro/forum...=1778&st=0

....those guys seem to have a wealth of information on tanks involved in the campaigns there. Never seen any interior views and none of the books I brought back from Romania on tanks in service there show interior views (who was thinking about this at the time?... and subsequent events and regimes were not interested in preserving some chapters of history, methinks).

"Dragos" seems to be "The Man" over there, maybe be can gets some doors opened for you...he seems to have access to some interesting archives. We'd sure love to know what you find.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
T26E4
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 14, 2006
Posts: 42

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Steven: contact me offsite. I have some Pz 38t interior photos and I'm a devoted Red Orchestra player!!!

roy.chow @ aya.yale.edu
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

You can find some inerior pictures of a BT-7 here
www.thetankmaster.com/...935_01.asp

HTH

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Hello from Forgotten Hope/Forgotten Hope 2 researcher! Wink

So, BT-5/BT-7 is real big problem. Interior refs is low, and they are different inside. In thisspring i post parts of BT-5 manual, and some months ago also BT-7 Mod.1935/Mod.1937 manuals (also parts).

About R-2 - you need to seek this book, published by MBI:

www.kajacircle.com/kli..._skoda.htm

Info about LT vz.38 you can find in books from WWP:

And nice book from MBI:

www.kajacircle.com/kli..._praga.htm

Also, if you need info about R-1 tankette, you need MBI book:

www.kajacircle.com/kli...kettes.htm

BTW if you need some romanian stuff, i have some in my Prime Portal section Wink
www.primeportal.net/ar...rita_smg_2
www.primeportal.net/ar...r_mod_1937
www.primeportal.net/ar...holok/zb37
www.primeportal.net/ar...olok/zb.30
Back to top
View user's profile
devnl
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 2007
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:08 am
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Yeah, I recently stumbled upon PrimePortal, quite some nice information and decent references on there. As a matter of fact, I also e-mailed Charles Kliment asking for help and got some nice Pz35(t) and 38(t) references.

Problem still is and always has been the BT7 and 5, especially the turret. Since we would want to make them as close to reality as possible, we seem to be complicating matters. My best bet on getting BT7 references would be to contact someone with access to a BT7, but seeing as most of those museums etc. are in Russia, and they never returned my e-mails, I'm kind of becoming hopeless on ever finding decent BT interior refs.

Taranov, seeing as how FH is also including a BT7, would it be possible to see how you guys did your interior as a reference? Same for the T26 if possible?
Back to top
View user's profile
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:12 am
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

- devnl
Problem still is and always has been the BT7 and 5, especially the turret. Since we would want to make them as close to reality as possible, we seem to be complicating matters. My best bet on getting BT7 references would be to contact someone with access to a BT7, but seeing as most of those museums etc. are in Russia, and they never returned my e-mails, I'm kind of becoming hopeless on ever finding decent BT interior refs.


Main problem - BT-7 mod.1937. He have new turret, and only two preserved. One in Victory park of Poklonnaya Hill, second in Khabarovsk, too far for me Smile BT-5 and BT-7 mod.1935 have T-26 style turret.
Some refs of turret you can find here:
www.thetankmaster.com/...rola_3.asp
www.thetankmaster.com/...rola_4.asp

BT-7 manual
www.zshare.net/downloa...6927c744e5
www.zshare.net/downloa...913247cdaa
BT-7 Mod.1937 manual
www.zshare.net/downloa...41182b1290
BT-5 manual (right now link don't work, check later)
www.rapidshare.ru/400014

Taranov, seeing as how FH is also including a BT7, would it be possible to see how you guys did your interior as a reference? Same for the T26 if possible?


We haven't interiors in tanks, only sights. Interiors in BF42/BF2 engine not useful, in fact...


Last edited by Taranov on Sat May 03, 2008 5:19 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
devnl
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 2007
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:41 am
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Taranov, thanks for the references, they'll help us, ofcourse, if anyone has more it's always welcome. About the sights in FH, where did you find the sights of the Pz38(t)? I know they used a sight called the TZF(t), which probably is a german modification of the original Czech sight, but I have yet to find any information on how it looks. Since the game we're developing has both interiors and sights, we can use any reference on them too.
Back to top
View user's profile
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:04 am
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

- devnl
About the sights in FH, where did you find the sights of the Pz38(t)? I know they used a sight called the TZF(t), which probably is a german modification of the original Czech sight, but I have yet to find any information on how it looks.


In soviet operational manual for PzKpfw 38(t).
Back to top
View user's profile
devnl
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 2007
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

I'd love to get a copy of that if you have access to it Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

I do not pretend to know what the copyright status of old Soviet documents are but it is incumbant upon group members to ensure that they do not violate copyright laws when providing copies of documents to others.

I know that documents created by the U.S. Gov't may be freely copied. I do not know about those created by any other government

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

I don't think there are rights in the USSR. Wink

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Mark,
Bob is addressing a legitimate issue that has and might come up again in the future so we just want to make sure the site and forum's position is adequately known. While it's unlikely that there are any applicable restrictions on a document that old at this point, just in case it's in reprint and any copyrights are claimed, we want to make sure that members are in compliance, especially when there is an effort to share such material in the open forum. We don't want to appear complicit in any violations, however unlikely that might seem in the present case.

It's a mean, ol' world out there, and I just spent part of this morning fighting to get some of my material removed from another website where it was being used without permission. Kinda' need to be consistant, just in case copyrights apply in this case. Wink

D.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

Wydawnictwo Books have a couple of decent volumes on the T-26.

#193 T-26 volume 1
#197 T-26 voulume 2

IIRC, volume 2 includes excerpts from T-26 tm's. I have both books at home. I'll check further later on tonight.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Looking for tank interiors

In all seriousness Copyrights obtained during the Soviet era are still considered in force. (I did a little checking before my previous post) But I am not sure of its applicability to government produced documents. I believe the U.S. is a fairly unique case. U.S. law explicitly states that any document produced by the U.S. Gov't is considered Public Domain. In the article I found I could find no explicit statement for the Russian, Soviet or even the British gov't. If anyone has an authortative source about these or any other governments documents I would appreciate knowing. Wikopedia only counts if it can reference a true legal source)

Given recent events on this board I believe we need to be careful. Copying short passages may fall under the 'Fair Use' doctrine but making significant portions of a work available is wrong

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum